Anyone else seeing Roger Waters this Saturday in DC? (9/23/06)

[SnoMan]

Just curious to see if I may be able to meet and greet with any of you guys this weekend.

My g/f sprang(sprung?...springedededed?) this on me yesterday as a late birthday present and I am stoked. I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, but my interest started after they had stopped touring. So, this may be the closest I'll ever have to seeing Pink Floyd live.

I can't wait.

I may give Jive a visit, anyone else gonna be around?

[baba]

Sadly I'm going to miss it. I have a wedding to attend.

I saw him in DC (Landover anyway) in 87 or 88 for the Radio Chaos tour. Awesome.

[SnoMan]

[SnoMan]

Absolutely amazing concert.

I'm so glad to be able to say I've seen him live and it was an incredible show.

The show consisted of three hours of music with a 15 minute break and encoure.

The first set was a compilation of music from the albums Atom Heart Mother, Wish You Were Here, The Wall, Animals, The Final Cut and two or three pieces of Waters' solo work including a new piece written for the tour.

After the intermission they took off into the full Dark Side of the Moon. It was awe-inspiring, intense, simply-amazing. The only thing that could have made it better would be had it been the complete Pink Floyd performing.

It was great and I feel honored to have been able to see it. Should he or any of the other members of Pink Floyd come within reasonable distance, I'll definately be attending if possible.

Great Show.

[SnoMan]

With the thousands in attendance, there was zero noticable negative feedback during the show.

These "HOT" topics only came up 3 times during the show.

One picture, one pig, one song.

During a three hour show. This was a performance there bore no resemblence to, say, a Michael Moore documentary. Waters' expressed his views in the three manners mentioned above, but he did not linger or go about forcing his will on anyone.


What he did, was put on a great show.


If a person can't stand to disagree with a performer(or anyone)for a mere moment without getting into a tizzy, then I believe a person like that should refrain from leaving their home.

This was a musical performance and a good one at that.

[Philbiker]

Very very good show. I got busted with my MiniDisc recording gear for the first time ever! Yowch!

[bgmww]

Roger Waters is LIP SYNCHING 90% of the vocal parts... and that SUCKS !
This is something that none would have expected from an artist like Waters...
REALLY.. REAAAAAAAALLY dissapointed in him..

- Touring without new material just to cash in
- Extremely expensive tickets
- He is lip synching 90% of the vocals... and orded his musicians to play everything NOTE by NOTE.. pretending to be the real Floyd...

All These sucks...

[SnoMan]

Originally Posted by bgmww

Roger Waters is LIP SYNCHING 90% of the vocal parts... and that SUCKS !
This is something that none would have expected from an artist like Waters...
REALLY.. REAAAAAAAALLY dissapointed in him..

Proof? I'm not buying this.

- Touring without new material just to cash in

It's not my dream to see a new Roger Waters' album on tour. My dream is to see Pink Floyd. This is probably the closest I'll ever come to that. There was one new song and a few from his solo career.

- Extremely expensive tickets

My girlfriend bought us lawn seats and they were somewhere between $20-$30. That's not very expensive at all for such a large name act.

- He is lip synching 90% of the vocals...

Proof? Or did you read this on someone's blog?

and orded his musicians to play everything NOTE by NOTE.. pretending to be the real Floyd...

No.

There were changes made. I think you're getting confused when it comes to the solos. Fact is, one of the reasons Pink Floyd had such success was that you can hum any of their solos in your head. Main parts of those solos are very important to the song. The soloists didn't play everything note for note anyways, after hitting the main themes they would play their variations.


Have you seen this performance live? Or are you just regurgitating speculation you read somewhere?

[PaulMacCnj]

While I'm not seeing Waters on his current tour, I did see him twice on his last "In The Flesh" tours when he played in the U.S. during 1999 and 2000. The performances were both excellent and the band he assembled nailed the music perfectly. You won't be disappointed.

Paul Mac

[Philbiker]

Originally Posted by SnoMan

No.

There were changes made. I think you're getting confused when it comes to the solos. Fact is, one of the reasons Pink Floyd had such success was that you can hum any of their solos in your head. Main parts of those solos are very important to the song. The soloists didn't play everything note for note anyways, after hitting the main themes they would play their variations.

Not in the concert I saw. Note for note perfect solos in all the Floyd songs. Either the artists were directed by Roger to play the solos perfectly or they simply have so much respect for Gilmour's parts that they did it on their own. (probably both) I wasn't fond of the abbreviated "Shine On", I like the Gilmour-Wright-Mason version of that song better.

I don't buy the lip synching claim at all either.

[SnoMan]

I'll agree with you overall. I wouldn't say they were perfect note for note, but they were extremely true to the original.

I was disappointed in shine on also. When they stopped, I expected them to play the rest later that night, a la Wish You Were Here. I had actually forgotten about them not finishing the piece though.

*random note*
On the Run was intense, they may have been one of my favorite moments.

[bgmww]

@Snoman

Quote:
Originally Posted by bgmww
Roger Waters is LIP SYNCHING 90% of the vocal parts... and that SUCKS !
This is something that none would have expected from an artist like Waters...
REALLY.. REAAAAAAAALLY dissapointed in him..

Proof? I'm not buying this.

Proof ? Just get via torrent the DVD of Rock in Rio Lisbon 2006, and venice DVD.. chek them out and compare... i´m not bullsh*ting...

Quote:
- Touring without new material just to cash in

It's not my dream to see a new Roger Waters' album on tour. My dream is to see Pink Floyd. This is probably the closest I'll ever come to that. There was one new song and a few from his solo career.

Well.. that´s your call

Quote:
- Extremely expensive tickets

My girlfriend bought us lawn seats and they were somewhere between $20-$30. That's not very expensive at all for such a large name act.

Quote:
- He is lip synching 90% of the vocals...

Proof? Or did you read this on someone's blog?

I didn´t read this on the net... i just saw it with my own eyes and i could hear he was lip synching LIVE.. during Rock in Rio TV Broadcast.
Again... get the dvd.. or if you don´t want to get the DVD.. go to youtube.. serach for Roger Waters Rock in Rio.. and you´ll see

Quote:
and orded his musicians to play everything NOTE by NOTE.. pretending to be the real Floyd...

No.

There were changes made. I think you're getting confused when it comes to the solos. Fact is, one of the reasons Pink Floyd had such success was that you can hum any of their solos in your head. Main parts of those solos are very important to the song. The soloists didn't play everything note for note anyways, after hitting the main themes they would play their variations.

Don´t say NO... you know they are playing ths songs just like on the album.. That´s what tribute bands do. Not the original Floyds !
How many PF Roios (bootleg recordings) do you have ? Check them all out and you´ll see PF NEVER... and i repeat.. NEEEEEVER.. played live the songs just like on the album.. they ALWAYS improvised solos and parts.. and i´m not talking about Gilmour.. i´m talking about all the members.
This was fun cos you could hear a completely different version of the song on every show of every tour. That´s one of the things that made this a great band.
And what i´ve seen on those videos is an exact copy of the album versions of the songs.

Have you seen this performance live? Or are you just regurgitating speculation you read somewhere?

I´m gonna see his show LIVE.. front row in March.
All this does not come out of my imagination... every PF forum is talking about this, yes... but it is not invented... Everything began with Rock in Rio video.

@Philbiker

Not in the concert I saw. Note for note perfect solos in all the Floyd songs. Either the artists were directed by Roger to play the solos perfectly or they simply have so much respect for Gilmour's parts that they did it on their own. (probably both) I wasn't fond of the abbreviated "Shine On", I like the Gilmour-Wright-Mason version of that song better.

I don't buy the lip synching claim at all either.

It´s not only Gilmour´s parts they are playing note for note... but every other instrument is doing it too.

if you don´t wannna buy the lip synching issue. .don´t buy it... but it´s a reality... if you preffer denying it.. do it.
go get the DVDs i said and you´ll see.

regards

[canopener]

Originally Posted by Philbiker

Not in the concert I saw. Note for note perfect solos in all the Floyd songs. Either the artists were directed by Roger to play the solos perfectly or they simply have so much respect for Gilmour's parts that they did it on their own. (probably both) I wasn't fond of the abbreviated "Shine On", I like the Gilmour-Wright-Mason version of that song better.

I don't buy the lip synching claim at all either.

I caught his tour in Dallas '00. While I'm sure Waters had a heavy hand in what the band played for each song, it was far from copping album versions' parts note for note. The closest probably being stuff from his solo albums.

It was a great show, and I am surprised to learn that he performed Dark Side of the Moon on his latest tour. Before his last, I remember reading that he wouldn't do the album on tour because "it was already done by another band" referring to Floyd.

In the end, Roger Waters is still one of those guys who I love their music, but wouldn't walk across the street to shake his hand.

[SnoMan]

Proof ? Just get via torrent the DVD of Rock in Rio Lisbon 2006, and venice DVD.. chek them out and compare... i´m not bullsh*ting...

In DC, he sang numerous parts of songs at a different tempo than what one would call normal. It's not impossible for him to have lip synched that, but I would consider it unlikely.

I'll look to download this performance in question. You may very well be correct from the performance you saw. I'll try and find it to see how it compares to my experience.

[bgmww]

Originally Posted by SnoMan

In DC, he sang numerous parts of songs at a different tempo than what one would call normal. It's not impossible for him to have lip synched that, but I would consider it unlikely.

I'll look to download this performance in question. You may very well be correct from the performance you saw. I'll try and find it to see how it compares to my experience.

Cool. .get that video.. and get CORK DVD too... and if you can.. download a couple of Roios...Compare the audios of have a Cigar and Sheep.. compare the same part of the song on each roio... and then get back here and let me know what you´ve found.

The following are 3 messages from A Fleeting Glimpse Forum (a well respected site about Pink Floyd) http://z7.invisionfree.com/Pink_Floyd/index.php?

Posted: Jun 5 2006, 05:49 PM

I really don't know what to do about this, nobody wants to bring their heroes down.

I'm starting to read and get reports that Roger was doing a fair amount of Lip Synching at the Rock In Rio gig.

This was posted on another forum:
QUOTE
too bad there's alot of lip synching going on. literally, Fletcher is lip synched in its entirety... if Rog can't sing these songs, he should either 1) skip them, or 2) have someone sing it for him. it's obvious that he's just whispering under pre-recorded vox on a few of these songs that i've listened to so far. to compare, i think he lip synched just a single line back in 1999. there's actually a part in this vid (i think it's on Gunner's Dream) where RW is looking down as the vocals come in. blatant synching... enough to make Lindsay Lohan proud. oh well, he is 63.

This is part of an email I received:
QUOTE
I'm a big Roger Waters / Pink Floyd fan, and was at
the Rock In Rio concert this friday.

I'm very sorry to report that Roger lip synched some
parts of the Final Cut songs in the set. Both me and
my wife noticed it independently (only talked about it
after the show).

We were on the front rows (30/40 meters from the
stage), and watched him rush his head to the
microphone because "someone" was already singing.

I'm now starting to think that the mess made on the vocals of Have A Cigar was actually Roger Lip Synching, but the vocal 'recording' failed to play, hence we hear this horrible mess of Roger 'mouthing' the words.

Many have claimed in recent times that Roger's voice is shot. If he is Lip Synching, this might be the reason.

I'm now quite perplexed. I don't want to hang any **** on Roger, but if he is Lip Synching then he really is taking advantage of people paying to see him 'sing' live.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Clemens Posted: Jun 5 2006, 05:54 PM

Yeah, I watched the dvd and saw him lipsynching at least 3 songs...

But I'm not really sure on what to think of it. On the one hand I agree with you, that he is taking advantage, on the other I would really like to see him perform again. To me, a Roger performance is more then only his vocals. If he really can't sing high anymore, then there is a good chance he will never be able to perform quite a number of floyd songs anymore...

It is a disappointment....

Col T Posted: Jun 5 2006, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Clemens @ Jun 5 2006, 06:54 PM)
On the one hand I agree with you, that he is taking advantage, on the other I would really like to see him perform again.


I know what you are saying (and I agree with you). Roger is more than just a 'singer', but as that guy posted in the other forum, if Roger can't handle the singing, he should get out of the kitchen and let somebody else in to cook!


gilito Posted: Jun 5 2006, 06:09 PM

Hi to all!

I've just seen the DVD (on the day, that the shaow appened i was so worry recording the show rom my TV for some of you, that i almost lost it... ), and he really lip syncs...

And the worst part is that they didnt turn of his mic... So you hear the recorded voice, and on top of it, you can hear Roger "live" voice...

In 2004 Britney Spears did the same thing in Rock In Rio... maybe its a Rock In Rio, requirement...

Yes its a shame, but he is not 30 anymore, so...

On the end i must say that i was on the 2nd ITF concert in Lisboa, and i prefered it... not tha this was bad, but...

To me, Sheep, was the higher point of the show... the rest was, so, so...

Regards from sunny Portugal,

Gilito.
(for many of you, "the tely guy" )

[Philbiker]

He's even called out in Wikipedia.

Some artists switch between singing live and lip synching while performing a song. This is done because the song may require the vocalist to hit a high or low note were the singer may otherwise come "out of tune" or "off key". Once the difficult portion of the song has been mimed, they may continue to lip synch the rest of the performance or start singing live again. Other techniques used is to play a backing track of the singers own voice in the background and the singer contributes live vocals as well. Normally when this is done, the live vocals are not heard as much as the backing track. This is done by many pop and rock performers. Roger Waters, on his tours In the Flesh and The Dark Side of the Moon Live is one prominent example.

[Philbiker]

Originally Posted by mb1

Wow. Would have loved to seen that show.

Glad to see this wasn't the typical opinion of the show. To me, it would be the same as paying to go see Charlton Heston perform, then standing up in the middle of his performance and screaming anti-NRA rhetoric.

I thought of this post as I watched the "PULSE" concert on video tonight. I'm thinking this poster who you quoted wouldn't be too happy with the film played behind the Gilmour-Wright-Waters Pink Floyd while they sing "Brain Damage".

[SnoMan]

Originally Posted by bgmww

...(stuff)...

I'm sorry to hear you're still in an uproar about this.


Regardless, the concert I witnessed was excellent and I doubt I'll forget it anytime soon. At any point where he lip-synched, as your sources say he did, he did so very well.

I recieved my money's worth and it was a better show than I had expected.