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10-26-2011, 10:40 PM
| | | | ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!! "Weasel Ratings" for amp power!!!
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10-27-2011, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain  It seems that 8-Ohms is the most common bass cabinet. Why don't they just rate the wattage at 8 Ohms and allow people who don't live next door to a Guitar Center to develop realistic expectations?
Sorry guys, just venting I guess. | Plenty of 4 ohm stuff out there.
Look at ohms law. if it's X at 4 ohms, It's one half X at 8...2X at 2 ohms.
Your 40 kajillian watt amp will put 20 kajillian watts across 8 ohms. |
10-27-2011, 01:54 AM
|  | Total Hyper-Elite Member | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Groom Lake, NV | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Plenty of 4 ohm stuff out there.
Look at ohms law. if it's X at 4 ohms, It's one half X at 8...2X at 2 ohms.
Your 40 kajillian watt amp will put 20 kajillian watts across 8 ohms. | Not really.
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10-27-2011, 04:52 AM
| | | Yeah, 40 kajillian watts at 4-ohms would probably be somewhere around to 27 kajillian at 8.
At least if they’re not advertising “peak” watts, or in some cases flat out lying.
Marketing… 
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10-27-2011, 09:34 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) | | Hi.
So what?
It's not like they force You to buy their products at gunpoint, now is it?
Stick to the more "reputable" manufacturers and You don't have to worry about misleading marketing department creativity  .
You can always roll your own if you wish, then you'll get..., well..., what you are able to make.
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10-27-2011, 07:17 PM
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10-27-2011, 07:19 PM
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10-27-2011, 08:15 PM
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EXAR pedals rep for North & Central America | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX, OR | | | I've never had problems finding 4-ohm cabs in any store or webstore. In fact I wouldn't even know where to begin showing you examples, because they are so common. MF, Zzounds, GC, Sweetwater, every bass specialty shop...
Can you show us even ONE example of a large web store that doesn't have a decent selection of 4-ohm cabs? |
10-27-2011, 09:27 PM
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10-27-2011, 11:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Massachusetts USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain Guitar Center, Musicians Friend, Amazon....
Amazon had 1 4-Ohm cab (an Eden) sold by a third party. | Except for all these ones... 
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10-28-2011, 12:34 AM
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Owner/Builder: HJC Customs USA, The Cool Lute, C G O | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southwest Michigan | | | 3 letters you need to become acquainted with - RMS
RMS is the actual clean wattage, so learn RMS @ whatever ohm and you will know where to venture from there....ignore "Peak" wattage, this is a garbage term used to sell equipment to people who are clueless, Kind of like people who think they have 300 watt speakers making their stereo louder. |
10-28-2011, 01:56 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) | | Hi. Quote:
Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain Ampeg, Eden, Gallien-Krueger, MESA/Boogie... I suppose you're right. I should stop looking at those amps and should try to find some reputable makers.
They *all* advertise the 4-Ohm rating and the majority of their cabs, unless their websites are wrong, are 8-Ohm cabs. I could figure a percentage, but it's obvious enough that I don't have to. | 
You kinda missed my point.
Which is the uninformed obsession of going down to the least possible load in order to squeeze the last watt out of the amp with a single cab, just because of the manufacturers biased marketing.
IME, it's not until several KW range that the difference between 8 and 4 Ohm becomes noticeable. If even then.
4 ohm cabs are harder to find because there's really no market for them.
They are there though, but not necessarily in the price range You're thinking about.
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10-28-2011, 02:02 AM
|  | I'll take you into the water. | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane QLD Australia | | Quote:
Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain (Just venting. Not trying to start stuff.)
ARGH!!!! Why do amp makers rate amp output power using what I call "weasel ratings?"
*in radio announcer voice* "This new amp from your favorite maker will deliver 40 KAJILLION WATTS to your 4 Ohm cabinet....."
From about 4 weeks of internet research, 4 Ohm cabinets are pretty stinkin' RARE!!!!
Yeah, yeah, I know about full stacks, but not everyone wants to buy their amp twice, so to speak. Oh, not everyone has room on stage for a ginormous stack either.
"Hey guys! Check out my new 300-Watt combo!"
"Hey man, are you sure that's 300 Watts? We're talking over it."
"D'OH!!!! It comes with an 8 Ohm speaker...."
It seems that 8-Ohms is the most common bass cabinet. Why don't they just rate the wattage at 8 Ohms and allow people who don't live next door to a Guitar Center to develop realistic expectations?
Sorry guys, just venting I guess. | Uhh...
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10-28-2011, 03:08 AM
| | | | When I bought my GK 700RB back in 1999 it was rated at 350 Watts into 4 Ohms at .01% THD.
Later they changed their tune and said it was really a 380 Watt amp into 4 Ohms.
Why?
Because everyone else rated their power output at .1% THD, GK decided to do so also. |
10-28-2011, 04:49 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: (M)a$$hole. | | | This thread is kinda mehtarded.
4 full ohms mehtarded.
4 weeks of research....
40 kagillion watts.
I see a theme here....are you four?
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10-28-2011, 06:08 AM
|  | Louisiana Superdome. S 127. R 22. S 12-13. Moderator | | Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Mobile, Al | | Quote:
Originally Posted by tom once dead Uhh...
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Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain Examples? In 4 weeks, I've only seen one Eden 4-Ohm cab, and Carvin will build a 4-Ohm cab. Are you talking about "boutique" makers' cabs by any chance? | Yeah, why wouldn't companies like "Ampeg, Eden, Gallien-Krueger, MESA/Boogie..." make a 4-ohm cab? Oh wait. They do. All of them. Most of their cabs will give you a 4ohm option.
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10-28-2011, 09:10 AM
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10-28-2011, 09:28 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada | | | Every amp head I have ever owned has listed the output at both 4 and 8 ohms. It's really not that hard to find these answers after spending 20 seconds of research on a manufacturer's web-site.
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10-28-2011, 09:48 AM
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10-28-2011, 10:10 AM
|  | Vintage Keys | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Austin, TX | | | You have to understand how they get the number. By FTC rules, the mfgs test the amplifier with a sine wave up to the point of a specified clipping (THD) Since it is a sine wave, the rating is RMS, even if that has little to do with musical amplification. It doesn't matter what the numbers are, as long as you can reliably compare two different products.
Which puts out more clean power:
1) 400W at 8ohm, 1%THD
2) 500W at 4ohm, 0.1%THD
It is impossible to know, because the benchmarks aren't the same. If you compared the following, you would know.
1) 400W at 4ohm, 0.1%THD
2) 500W at 4ohm, 0.1%THD
It doesn't matter what the benchmarks are, just that you know how the test was carried out so that you could compare the two.
I don't know of any mfg that doesn't list the power ratings at 4 and 8ohm. Makes sense, because some people use a single 8ohm cab, some use a single 4ohm cab, and some use a pair of 8ohm cabs. Many are capable of 2ohm, and they list the power rating for that as well. So why do they typically market the 4ohm power rating. Because everyone else does, which makes it easy to make a quick comparison between amps. Many people don't even know what it means, just that the bigger number is better. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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