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06-26-2009, 06:43 PM
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I have a cheap $150 Audio Technica Wireless guitar system and I have to say, I like the sound and "HOTNESS" I get form it better than if I were to use a cable. I don't know why, as I was always under the assumption that wireless robbed bassists of their tone and bottom end, but to get an idea of what it makes my Squier Affinity Jazz sound like with both pickups and flat EQ, look heredoesnt start til around the 1:30 mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBaa78m3YU4
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06-26-2009, 07:12 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia | | | You've just stumbled on to something guitarists have been doing for years. The extra hotness is basically a result of the added compression. What compression you ask?
The way analogue wirelesses work is to take the source signal, then use heavy compression to wrap it up in a tight little ball so it can then throw it over to the receiver. Its not unlike what you'd do if you were throwing a piece of paper across the room. The receiver catches the ball of audio, then applies a complicated algorithm to "uncompress" the compressed signal. This process is called companding.
Here's the catch, the algorithm for companding isn't perfect. The cheaper the unit, the less perfect it is. The final uncompressed signal is never exactly the same as the original signal, which is why there will always be an audible difference from wireless compared to a cable. And despite the popular opinion, the difference isn't always in the bottom end. It can happen anywhere in the frequency range and is often caused by some residual compression.
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06-26-2009, 07:19 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: oklahoma | | | great reply!!!! a++ tb'r. I hate when someone states a question that may have been stated some months ago and is greated with a "use the search". Just my 2 cents |
06-26-2009, 07:24 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Springfield, MA | | | I personally think my X2 is right on with a standard instrument cable. I've never noticed any companding residuals in my sound, and it's my fourth wireless unit (the other ones... sucked.)
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Originally Posted by Moe Monsarrat If you can play like Geddy without listening to him you may have something. Try not listening to Jaco as well. | |
06-26-2009, 07:26 PM
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greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc | | Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: remote mountain cabin Montana | | | Companding can be remarkably accurate too, though... A big part of what is going on with passive basses is that if the transmitter input impedance is nicely dovetailed and any preamping is well-designed, you don't have capacitance loading issues of a passive electronics and a cable. |
06-26-2009, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mrniceguy715 great reply!!!! a++ tb'r. I hate when someone states a question that may have been stated some months ago and is greated with a "use the search". Just my 2 cents |
True That, I HATE it when I ask a question because I dont feel like wading through the forms to get my answer.
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Originally Posted by Greyvagabond Goddamnit, most bands suck, and what gear they play is literally the least significant clue to them sucking. | |
06-26-2009, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GearHeadBassMan I personally think my X2 is right on with a standard instrument cable. I've never noticed any companding residuals in my sound, and it's my fourth wireless unit (the other ones... sucked.) |
Ive heard the same thing from many people who own the X2's from Line 6. I would love to own one, but nfortunately I'm gonna have to settle with a new bass for now 
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06-26-2009, 09:09 PM
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06-26-2009, 09:12 PM
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06-26-2009, 09:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brookfield, CT | | | Ha ha ha. At the 1:30 mark and everything. OK, funny, you win.
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06-26-2009, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dmusic148 Ha ha ha. At the 1:30 mark and everything. OK, funny, you win. | I'm not talking about his playing I'm talking about his TONE. Please, let's not turn this into another Gene Simmons bash fest. I just wanted a simple question answered. You're all a bunch of asshats 
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06-26-2009, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by twdavis13 I'm not talking about his playing I'm talking about his TONE. Please, let's not turn this into another Gene Simmons bash fest. I just wanted a simple question answered. You're all a bunch of asshats | Dude, Pete explained it perfectly as far as i can tell and the other guys were either discussing the same topic or just joking around. Chill
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06-26-2009, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GearHeadBassMan I personally think my X2 is right on with a standard instrument cable. I've never noticed any companding residuals in my sound, and it's my fourth wireless unit (the other ones... sucked.) | The X2 is digital, not analog, and does not use a compander. |
06-27-2009, 07:52 AM
| | | | +1 on companding
The change in tone can also be due to:
* A hotter signal going to amp = louder than a cable which one may perceive as better
* EQ can also change due to the wireless system filtering low or high end which by chance gives a more pleasing tone for your application; suppose it could also boost particular frequencies although I have not experienced this
Pretty cool that the wire less sounds better to you when it was not purchased for a tone improvement! |
06-27-2009, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by twdavis13 Ive heard the same thing from many people who own the X2's from Line 6. I would love to own one, but nfortunately I'm gonna have to settle with a new bass for now | ugh. the x2 isn't a line 6 product, it's an x2 product. line 6 distributes them, but there is no line 6 logo on the box nor the unit.
digital = no compression/companding? just translation? that might explain it!
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06-27-2009, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by twdavis13 I'm not talking about his playing I'm talking about his TONE. Please, let's not turn this into another Gene Simmons bash fest. I just wanted a simple question answered. You're all a bunch of asshats | 
Lighten up, Francis. |
06-27-2009, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GearHeadBassMan ugh. the x2 isn't a line 6 product, it's an x2 product. line 6 distributes them, but there is no line 6 logo on the box nor the unit.
digital = no compression/companding? just translation? that might explain it! | I love my X2. So what if it rockets through 9v's??? I bought 30 coppertops on ebay for $40!!!
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06-27-2009, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JimiLL I love my X2. So what if it rockets through 9v's??? I bought 30 coppertops on ebay for $40!!! | please get rechargeables! |
06-27-2009, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by WarriorJoe7 please get rechargeables! | +1.
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06-27-2009, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by WarriorJoe7 please get rechargeables! | Does *anybody* successfully use rechargeable batteries in their X2? A couple of people said they where buying them and would report back. Nobody has reported back, which does not give me a warm fuzzy about their success. 
The X2 needs high voltage batteries, the regular 9V rechargeables will not work. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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