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I am an older musician (58) and have enjoyed watching many a band perform over the last 40+ years or so. One thing I must say that have found a bit annoying, however, has been the occasional tendency of some bands to play an excessive amount of "musical chairs" with their designated instruments. That said, not all instrument switching is annoying to me -- in fact some of it seems natural and works quite well on stage. Other times it has a more jarring visual quality to it. So I guess I'll clarify all of this by making a list of my observations. I've discussed this with other musicians as well as non-musicians and most people just seems to shrug as if "so what's the big deal?" so I won't be the least bit offended if anybody makes any snarky retorts to it.

* Switching between guitar and keyboards ala Steve Winwood.
This to me is a natural; they're both chordal instruments. Going back and forth is pretty seamless.

* Switching between bass and keyboards ala John Paul Jones and Geddy Lee.
This also to me is also a natural -- on one song you're playing bass guitar. On another song (or in the case of Lee another measure) you're playing bass with the left hand or bass pedals.

* Switching between a double necked guitar and bass with bass pedals also ala Geddy Lee.
Once again this also seems pretty seamless.

*Switching between drums and front man ala Phil Collins.
That took a little getting used to for me but the end results were pretty good.

* A guitarist and bassist switch roles for a song or two for no apparent reason.
For some reason this annoys me. I often ask myself "why?". In fact the guitarist in my band has brought this up to me a few times and I've told him that I find the concept of that idea a bit annoying. I mean we have completely different styles in guitar so it might be kind of interesting but I just find the way it looks on stage really awkward. The only exception I can think of where they pulled it off (and probably due the amount of gear and road crew) was later period Genesis.

*Switching back and forth between guitar and drums ala Dave Grohl.
Let's face it; he's great on both. Do I want to see him go back and forth? For some reason I don't. In fact every time I hear Foo Fighters the fact that he was once famous for playing drums keeps inching into my mind. To me drums is a different animal. It annoys me when drummers want to play any another instrument on stage for reason. This does not include drummers who have MIDI triggers ala Neil Peart. That has a more seamless quality to it.

*A band where the bassist and drummer switch back and forth every song.
I have not seen this yet myself but somebody was telling me recently about a band that did just that. I would probably have to leave.

*Indie bands where people routinely switch instruments to get different sound textures and expand their horizons.
Where is the exit? Just in case you think I'm a humorless old fart, I even got a bit annoyed when the 70's prog band Gentle Giant were hot dogging it by doing something in a very similar vein.

Anybody else out there have a similar annoyance or is it just me?
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* A guitarist and bassist switch roles for a song or two for no apparent reason.
For some reason this annoys me. I often ask myself "why?". In fact the guitarist in my band has brought this up to me a few times and I've told him that I find the concept of that idea a bit annoying. I mean we have completely different styles in guitar so it might be kind of interesting but I just find the way it looks on stage really awkward. The only exception I can think of where they pulled it off (and probably due the amount of gear and road crew was later period Genesis).
What about Paul McCartney?
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What about Paul McCartney?
I don't recall him doing that onstage much with the Beatles.
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I feel that seeing as how most consumers have no clue of the difference between bass and guitar that changing makes no difference other than self ego stroking of the band members.
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No issue with it... Hell, I've done it. I wrote some guitar pieces. The guitarist and I traded places for a few songs. It was fun, changed our flavor a bit, and kept things interesting. He also played keys in parts of songs and I played a didgeridoo.
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:28 AM
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In one band I played with way back, I had to switch from bass to keys for just one number because the keys player never got the hang of the part. It annoyed me no end at the time, and would annoy me even more today, I think.
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:56 AM
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My only real "Issue" with multi-instrumentalists is that they usually are very skilled at one thing, and only competent on the others. If you kick serious ass on the guitar, I don't want to see you muddle along behind the drum kit.

I have a friend that is an awesome guitar player (His main instrument) he also has the rare talent of also being a most excellent bass player, he's also no slouch behind the drum kit.

I have great appreciation for his ability to play seemingly anything well, but he's such a bad ass guitar player that I prefer him in that role rather than the others. The greatest advantage to him playing all sorts of things well that I can see is that he does a jam night at a local bar. No drummer? No problem. Need someone on bass while someone else sits in on guitar? No Problem.

For the most part though, I like everyone to play the instrument they are strongest on.
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I don't recall him doing that onstage much with the Beatles.
Well, I wasn't limiting it to the Beatles, but since you mention it:

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Audiences like it. It makes the band look like superstar multi-talents.

Bands do it to show off or just for variety. But Phalex makes a good point about the "Why? Just because you can?"

Sometimes the guitar player switches to (otherwise not played) keys, or the drummer comes out front to sing. But I guess that's not what the OP is really bugged about.
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Doesnt bother me as long as they are capable of playing the other instuments. Ive played bass, guitar and drums, in the same song. The switch to drums was the hardest, luckly it breaks down a few times to just a hi hat, that when we made the switch. Even though we got no complaints about doing it (more compliments than anything) looking back it was kind of stupid, probably why we only did it once, years ago.
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I think it depends on why they're switching. If the song 'really needs a banjo' then not such a big deal But if it's a case of 'my girlfriend bought me a banjo for my birthday & I wanna show off' then not so much. Or if it's a case of someone who can sing lead while strumming chords but can't sing lead while playing a walking bass line or drumming I could handle that as well. But if you're going to break out another instrument (especially an unusual one) don't do it for just 1 song. At least do 2-3 while you have it out.

The big things for me are - how long does it take to switch instruments - how well the band covers the time (clever banter, fill music) - and how it ends up sounding.
There used to b a band that played around around here that was a 5 man 17 piece band - They did mostly country-rock kind of stuff but they stretched that into bluegrass (electric guitar went away & acoustic came out, keyboard player switched to banjo, other guitar player switched to mandolin). They also did some Dixieland stuff so trumpet, trombone, & a clarinet came out.

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Who is this Paul McCartney fella you speak of? ;-)

Actually if done well, I think it's amazing how a band can switch instruments and the quality of the music (most important thing) doesn't diminish in the least. It's visually entertaining for me.
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I'm not a big fan of switching instruments onstage when I'm playing - just too many things can go wrong.

However, in the folk-based group I'm in, I switch between bass and guitar quite a bit, and our drummer will likewise pick up a guitar every once in a while. Just kind of worked out that way...so far we haven't had any disasters onstage, though we've only gigged a few times since I joined (I'm still working thru their massive repertoire as well as adding my own material to the mix).
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I don't mind if bands switch and I don't care why.

What bugs me is when they take too long to do it. Either arrange so it happens quickly, or is part of the show, or don't do it. I don't want to sit there for three minutes while you borrow your buddy's axe, adjust the strap, tune it up, all while the singer tells me a story regarding the song I'm about to hear. Sorry, I just don't care. Make the switch and start playing, already!
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I've never been a big fan of bands who switch instruments all the time. I really don't have any reason other then I like to see the band as one solid unit, with all the guys in their designated roles. Just a pet peeve of mine I guess.

The ironic part though is that in my cover band I pass the bass along to the lead singer/guitarist on about 4-5 songs a nite where I sing the lead. I really wish we didn't have to, but I've gotta get my frontman time in!
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Saw Pain of Salvation last november...near the end of the show, the drummer switched roles with the vocalist/guitarist(Daniel Gildenlow) and sung a couple of tunes. Mr Gildenlow turned out to be a sick drummer and the drummer(can't remember his name) was a pretty good singer. Not to mention, both the lead guitarist and the bassist sang well too. A very very talented band and probably one of the best prog rock bands around
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I have to say i have been guilty of switching to guitar during a show. I wrote the song on guitar and the guitar player learned it with no problem but he was just not quite able to put the emotion behind it the same way i could. So i played that one then back to bass for the rest of the night.
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Once played a cover of 'Over the Hills and far away' by the late great Gary Moore with my old band. Being an irish traditional music enthusiast I play both the Uilleann pipes (YouTube - seamus ennis, god of uilleann pipes) and the banjo, so naturally enough they called on me to play the pipes for the start of the above said song. It was the night we were releasing our debut album and we had a good crowd. One of the most awkward switches I've ever had to attempt, trying to take off the pipes fast enough to hand them to a stage hand and pick up the bass seamlessly as possible. I missed about a bar of the bass line before I could get into it. We've also played Flogging Molly's 'Drunken Lullabies' with me on the banjo for the intro. That transfer was terribly hard to get right.
I think about it now and wonder whether it was worth it. Probably not but at least now I know right? I've also recently been asked to join a band who want me to play keys as well as bass and I'm feeling rather sceptical about the idea. I'll take as a challenge but if it starts to frustrate me, forget about it.
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My band just started doing this the last couple of gigs. The guitar player and I switch for a couple of blues songs I get sing and play on. It's fun. It takes me out of my comfort zone and IMO makes me a better performer. The audience seems to like it too. Like Bob C said, it makes you look multi-talented. I wouldn't want to do it for more than a couple of songs though.
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I saw some band once (they opened for Hole so that just shows how bad the bill was) and they sucked. Then during their boring set they changed instruments. That just made me hate them more. Thanks to them I will always hate bands that changed instruments mid set.
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