Bass cable

[Hutzbordello]

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.c...ght?sku=331653

do you really think this adds tone to your bass?


also what would be a good cable to get, ive only had monster and they are falling apart.

[samc2527]

i really like the types of cables with the nylons jackets, the one I use is from a compnay called whirlwind and was inexpensive but really good quality

[low2groove]

I use Monster bass (See your link) when I'm not wireless and those are $50 for a 21 ft. cable. I've never had one fall apart with years of touring on large and small stages.

FYI they are gauranteed for life just send them back and they'll send you new ones. But only if it's a defect in workmanship. Abuse and so on are not covered.

The monster cables aren't supposed add anything to your tone but are supposed to make it more pure and natural. NO color!

I didn't believe any of the hype 15 year ago and I had been playing bass for 30 years then. I bought the cheapest monster 100 series for guitar and was amazed when I A/B'd them that I could tell the difference. My ears are better than most seeing i run a recording studio and engineer quite a bit.

I love those cables you have the link to and would recomend no other but monster or mogami and mogami are REALLY exspensive even compared to monster.

I hope this helped, Steve

[FrenchAK]

Well would you look at that, I take my sweet time typing my post and I get sniped.
Gotta be quick!

[samc2527]

This is the cable I mentioned above

http://whirlwindusa.com/catalog/pre-...-series-cables

Not saying monsters aren't great I own one of the 20' myself

[Hutzbordello]

thanks man yea that helps

[Gizmot]

The sonic differences between cables are pretty subjective - but you can definitely hear them. A lot of people here in Nashville use George L's and think they sound great. I think ProCo Excelines are a well-made cable and sound superb too.

[countrybass007]

Phil Jones makes a good cable, that sounds as good as any I've heard. The cost of high end cables is usually the debateable issue, is the cost justified, do they last longer, etc. Many cables I've purchased over the years have a "lifetime" guarantee, whatever the lifetime of a cable is measured by.

[samc2527]

thats actually a good point, what is the "lifetime" of a cable?

[Hutzbordello]

i assume it means the lifetime of the user, but then again thats different for everyone so i guess as long as they can rip you off ^^

[Bongolation]

Originally Posted by Hutzbordello

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.c...ght?sku=331653

do you really think this adds tone to your bass?

Absolutely, categorically not.

[bongomania]

"Lifetime" is legally the lifetime of the product, not the user. An appliance typically has a legal lifespan of like 15 to 20 years.

Regarding claims about tone, sound quality, and awesomeness of different cables, please see this article: http://www.ovnilab.com/articles/cables.shtml

[Samsound]

As for Mogami, you can buy the cable by the foot pretty cheap, put the best Neutrik connectors, and still come out with about the price of a ProCo or Whirlwind.

[trowaclown]

Originally Posted by bongomania

"Lifetime" is legally the lifetime of the product, not the user. An appliance typically has a legal lifespan of like 15 to 20 years.

Regarding claims about tone, sound quality, and awesomeness of different cables, please see this article: http://www.ovnilab.com/articles/cables.shtml

I remember that thread well, good sir. And it's good to see that you've put it on your page. Easy reference for future questinos.

[spaz21387]

my vote goes for a mogami cable. They are spendy if you buy them complete but they have a lifetime warranty and i was told it also covers if the cables are accidentally cut in half too but then again im not sure i would believe what guitar center tells me. But as for the bass cables i dont think they add tone I think its just a way for monster to charge even more for their cables. I dont like monster cables because it seems like you dont really get what you are paying for with their cables. I have had 2 and they were both poorly made. I traded them in for a planet waves cable which wasnt bad but died after 2 years. Then traded that in and got a mogami gold cable for 15. The mogami cable has been going strong for over 3 and a half years constant gigging and practices. If I need another cable I will be going with mogami they are great. And completely silent monster cables sometimes buzz depending on the bass. They seem to not get along with jazz basses but the mogami doesnt make any buzzing or anything.

[darkstorm]

I'm not a fan of monster cable instrument cables. Cause they use oversized plugs that have a history of causing problems if one later goes back to normal size 1/4" plugs. Also I think the monster cables due odd things to midrange that Id rather not have. I think Livewire elite and Mogami equivalent a better cable dfor both pliugs and sound improvement. I use livewire elite. And no one whose borrowed them hasnt notice a deff improvement to sound detail. With bass one also gets a little bit better lower end.

Qaulity cable just like for speakers and cd player to receiver, does improve sound qaulity and detail. This will allways be most noticed with dense signals such as full band or heavy layered synth & drum machine things.

There are a lot of companies that use hype for their cables. Audioquest is one of the leaders in this imo. However theyre cables are diff better sounding then a lot of the ones out there. This I think in there case is due to useing very high grade copper etc and useing solid core cable. The only cables that actually impress me more are Analysis Plus. They dont use hype at all. There white paper on cables is the best Ive read for breaking myths and so on. http://www.analysis-plus.com/design_whitepaper.html

Point being though a company may hype their cables, they may still be very good or even superior to most. But hype isnt needed as analysis plus aptly points out. Lol.

Btw the biggest noticed sound improvement will allways be thru listening with a high qaulity monitor system or headphones. If you use trash speakers the sound improvement will be very slight. Though they will sound a little better if you use high qaulity speaker cables to them and inside them to the speakers themself. Though the cable cost would be more appreciated with medium to high grade system of course. This is cause the details the cable help bring out require speakers or headphones of very detailed goodness to really hear it. If your cables make 30Hz signal more defined yet your speakers are konking out at 60hz your not gonna notice thise improvfement to bass at all. Lol.

[Pilgrim]

Waste of money. Any standard quality guitar cable works fine and lasts for years with reasonable care.

That's all that needs to be said.

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by darkstorm

...I think the monster cables due odd things to midrange that Id rather not have. I use livewire elite. ...With bass one also gets a little bit better lower end.

There are no cables that alter the midrange, and there are no cables that alter the low end. I have proven this in the article I linked earlier.

Originally Posted by darkstorm

The only cables that actually impress me more are Analysis Plus. They dont use hype at all.

They make a big production about "skin effect" and "current bunching", but those factors are only applicable to RF (MHz), not audio frequencies. Those effects are hardly even measurable at audio frequencies, meaning for our purposes they don't exist as anything other than a theory.

Analysis Plus claims that "stating that a speaker cable has a constant, characteristic impedance of 10 ohms across the entire frequency range of 20 to 20,000 Hz is a drastic oversimplification that, in the end, is simply untrue."--but they stop there, they totally fail to follow that claim up with either proof that it is untrue, or proof that any variation in the impedance is sufficient to alter the actual performance of the cable, compared to other cables.

The fact is, the resistance of a typical audio cable is usually less than one ohm, making its impedance -at audio frequencies- negligible, a non-issue, regardless of whether it varies a bit at one frequency or another. They claim that "Conventional cylindrical cable, due to its geometric limitations, typically has an impedance of about 100 ohms at the high end of the audio frequency band" but again they just let that statement stand as if it was a fact, with no proof or demonstration.

I could go on, picking their white paper apart, but basically they are full of it, and they know that most people are gullible enough, and uneducated enough, to take them at their word--they can say anything, and people will eat it up, even if there isn't a single relevant fact in anything they've said.

If they had the facts to back up their claims, the "white paper" would have been the ideal place to present those facts. Instead, their white paper is just a whitewash.

[Labi]

Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Waste of money. Any standard quality guitar cable works fine and lasts for years with reasonable care.

Originally Posted by bongomania

There are no cables that alter the midrange, and there are no cables that alter the low end.

Amen!

[frankenp]

Monster is a company built on the ignorance of consumers. People willing to pay more... only because they think they will get more.

If you wan't to get your signal to your amp in the most prestine condition possible, use the $50+ dollars to buy a buffer pedal.