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08-11-2004, 12:38 PM
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08-11-2004, 12:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: roseability | | | i'd be happy to see it, although i think everyone should just leave the memory of cobain as a memory and stop dragging it up.
although i know the filmmaker's work and i really respect it, so it might be a really interesting watch.
drugstore cowboy is an amazing film.
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08-11-2004, 12:59 PM
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08-11-2004, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Till What? Kurt Cobain died?!!?!??!?!? | Hahaha.
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i think everyone should just leave the memory of cobain as a memory and stop dragging it up.
| Right on man. People can be real idiots sometimes regardless of whether or not they mean well. noone knows what the hell was in Cobain's head before he took his own life, and people don't know what in particular made him kill himself. Why make a movie about someone when you probably don't know THE HALF of what his life was all about.
Nuff said, the man should rest in piece. | 
08-12-2004, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scorpionldr Right on man. People can be real idiots sometimes regardless of whether or not they mean well. noone knows what the hell was in Cobain's head before he took his own life, and people don't know what in particular made him kill himself. Why make a movie about someone when you probably don't know THE HALF of what his life was all about.
Nuff said, the man should rest in piece. | Why? To get another layer of skin off....
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08-12-2004, 07:21 AM
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While it might be INTERESTING, its in no way inspirational to me. I mean,,look at it this way... That guy had sex w/ courtney love, & she's one of the most repulsive humans walking the planet today.
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08-12-2004, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scorpionldr noone knows what the hell was in Cobain's head before he took his own life, and people don't know what in particular made him kill himself. | You know, there are some people out there (myself included) who feel that Cobain was murdered. Dateline even did a special on the possibility of it not too long ago. There were just too many unanswered questions about his "suicide" that made me question it.
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08-12-2004, 10:38 AM
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08-12-2004, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Almighty Bass You know, there are some people out there (myself included) who feel that Cobain was murdered. Dateline even did a special on the possibility of it not too long ago. There were just too many unanswered questions about his "suicide" that made me question it. |
Hey John
I saw in my local book store a book on this very topic surrounding the theory that Kurt was murdered.
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08-13-2004, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jrthebassguy I know very few nirvana fans who actually believe he killed himself. Conspiracies make for better stories, I guess. |
Yeah, I saw the kurt and courtney flick... that's messed up. The part where the Mentors singer gets killed, I know he had a lot of people who COULD kill him, but it seems to coincidental.
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08-13-2004, 10:37 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA | | | I only ask three questions of the people who think Cobain killed himself.
1. How did he survive after injecting 3 times the lethal dose of heroine into his body. (Which even would have killed an addict like himself almost instantly)
2. After putting a shotgun into his mouth, how did he pull the trigger? Since it was too far away for his arm to reach it, and he was wearing shoes.
3. Why have they not been able to match the supposed "suicide note" to any sample of Cobain's handwriting.
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08-13-2004, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Almighty Bass I only ask three questions of the people who think Cobain killed himself.
1. How did he survive after injecting 3 times the lethal dose of heroine into his body. (Which even would have killed an addict like himself almost instantly)
2. After putting a shotgun into his mouth, how did he pull the trigger? Since it was too far away for his arm to reach it, and he was wearing shoes.
3. Why have they not been able to match the supposed "suicide note" to any sample of Cobain's handwriting. | +1, as a die-hard Nirvana fan I strongly believe that he was murdered...next to this 3 reasons there is plenty more that doesn't match up the 'suicide' theory...one thing that makes you think is the fact that Kurt and Courtney had an agrement. If they would divorce, each would take along their own share of the money, but, if one of them would die, the other one would get all the money...makes you think huh...
For everybody who is interested I strongly recomend this book:
Love and Death: The murder of Kurt Cobain
by Ian Halperin and Max Wallace
It doesn't say who killed him, but it provides strong indications who did it and in which direction should be looked. | 
08-13-2004, 04:42 PM
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08-13-2004, 05:39 PM
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he is dead.
he is not coming back.
courtney will never ever ever be convincted. it will make amazing court TV but nothing else.
the very notion of the police reopening the case is completely laughable 
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08-13-2004, 05:45 PM
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08-13-2004, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by John Deppel I only ask three questions of the people who think Cobain killed himself.
1. How did he survive after injecting 3 times the lethal dose of heroine into his body. (Which even would have killed an addict like himself almost instantly)
3. Why have they not been able to match the supposed "suicide note" to any sample of Cobain's handwriting. | Didn't really survive, now did he?
Well, how long after he injected did he pull the trigger? Entirely possible he did them in rapid succession. Seperate injections would have a different effect than one huge amount at once. You build up an immunity. A good alcoholic can have two to three times the "lethal dose" of booze in their body at any given time. Same goes for drugs.
And, really, doesn't the condition of 1 answer number 3?
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08-13-2004, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Didn't really survive, now did he? | What I meant was, the amount of heroine should have killed him instantly, not giving him any time to grab a shotgun and shoot himself. Assuming of course, that he didn't shoot himself before shooting up. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Brendan Well, how long after he injected did he pull the trigger? Entirely possible he did them in rapid succession. Seperate injections would have a different effect than one huge amount at once. You build up an immunity. A good alcoholic can have two to three times the "lethal dose" of booze in their body at any given time. Same goes for drugs. | The heroine was believed to be injected at the same time. Furthermore, the heroine was 95% contained in his right arm. The "tourniquet" used when he injected had been removed. This poor circulation of the drug suggests that it was injected shortly before or after his heart stopped beating. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Brendan And, really, doesn't the condition of 1 answer number 3? | The suicide note is believed to have been written before he was injected or shot. In addition, I would also like to point out that even though the suicide note was on a table BEHIND Cobain, there was not a single trace of blood on the note, though there was blood splatter on several areas of the table it was sitting on.
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08-14-2004, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Didn't really survive, now did he?
Well, how long after he injected did he pull the trigger? Entirely possible he did them in rapid succession. Seperate injections would have a different effect than one huge amount at once. You build up an immunity. A good alcoholic can have two to three times the "lethal dose" of booze in their body at any given time. Same goes for drugs.
And, really, doesn't the condition of 1 answer number 3? | If he wrote the letter after injecting the heroin he couldn't have done the heroin and shot himself in rapid succession. Just pointing that out in your argument. Besides I doubt that they would be unable to match the handwriting because he was under the influence of heroin. I'm sure he has written stuff while still high (is that the right terminology for heroin?) they could have matched it up with.
Bah, I don't know if it was a murder or a suicide, but I think Kurt gets too much attention because he died. It's a given that anyone in the rock business who dies young doubles or triples in popularity. I think this movie will be another example of taking a dead star's fame and saing something about it. I feel like this filmmaker truly wants to create something good, a real masterpiece of symbolism and stuff. But I don't really like the idea. He's dead and he was a great musician. He did a lot for rock and helped create the grunge scene. But please, let it stop. | 
08-14-2004, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by McHack Bleh, (brutal truth alert)
While it might be INTERESTING, its in no way inspirational to me. I mean,,look at it this way... That guy had sex w/ courtney love, & she's one of the most repulsive humans walking the planet today.
He's just a front man, who had issues & a heroin problem. | You insensitive bastrich. Now there's two of us.
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