-core genres and off metal

thatdude · #1 08-20-2011, 11:23 PM

What is your opinion on djent and off brands of metal?

Mr wiggl3s · #2 08-20-2011, 11:48 PM

-core is not an off brand of metal, it's an off brand of hardcore.

"Metal" got falsely attached to it, as that music has more in common with hardcore than metal.

What's there to say other than it's not metal?

thatdude · #3 08-21-2011, 12:30 AM

Well answer me this, what is the definitive metal band and how so, and what is the definitive hardcore band and what separates the two?

bolophonic · #4 08-21-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr wiggl3s

-core is not an off brand of metal, it's an off brand of hardcore.

"Metal" got falsely attached to it, as that music has more in common with hardcore than metal.

What's there to say other than it's not metal?

Dude, chill. Haterism of different forms of metal is unbassmanlike.

Mr wiggl3s · #5 08-21-2011, 11:19 AM

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Dude, chill. Haterism of different forms of metal is unbassmanlike.

I can't tell if you're trying to troll me, or you're trying to be funny. By trolling me?

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Well answer me this, what is the definitive metal band and how so, and what is the definitive hardcore band and what separates the two?

Iron Maiden.

Black Flag.

Musically they're very different. Metal is Blues-based music with jazz influences. Hardcore/Punk/-core is all rock based with hardcore influences. The only thing they seem to want to share (and don't even really) is distortion.

TheBasicBassist · #6 08-21-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr wiggl3s

Metal is Blues-based music with jazz influences.

Pilgrim · #7 08-21-2011, 11:33 AM

New target of this thread: comprehensively define Metal in one grammatically correct sentence.

Ready, set, GO!

Cohacq · #8 08-21-2011, 11:50 AM

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Black Sabbath, according to Iommi himself, played bluesy jazz when they started out, but then evolved into something a lot more heavier.

bolophonic · #9 08-21-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr wiggl3s

I can't tell if you're trying to troll me, or you're trying to be funny. By trolling me?

Neither.

genericusername · #10 08-21-2011, 11:57 AM

Many heavy metal artists came from a jazz background, or were influenced by jazz in some way. Some examples? Cliff Burton, Chris Poland and Gar Samuelson are all I can think of right now. I'm feeling very scatterbrained today.

genericusername · #11 08-21-2011, 12:24 PM

To the OP: I listen to Thrash, Classic metal (70s), and Classic rock (60s-70s).
I have no opinion on Hardcore and its derivatives. In fact, I wouldn't be able to define it for you, much less give you a good example.

ShredderMaximus · #12 08-21-2011, 01:12 PM

Hardcore = angrier, louder punk.

And though you might hate to hear it, alot of the odd time signatures and crazy scales that are used in jazz are also used in alot of metal, especially (GASP!) Death Metal. Just cause its distorted doesn't make it any less musical.

Awesomenaut · #13 08-21-2011, 01:23 PM

I guess we all forgot that Hardcore is metal-influenced punk. All -core genres are at least heavily influenced by metal if they haven't already shed the majority of their punk roots.

pklima · #14 08-21-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr wiggl3s

Metal is Blues-based music with jazz influences. Hardcore/Punk/-core is all rock based with hardcore influences.

That's too complicated. Here's an easier way to tell them apart - hardcore bands have better hair and shirts two sizes smaller.

cableguy · #15 08-21-2011, 01:28 PM

As Billy Joel once said........It's all rock & roll to me.

OPBASSMAN1994 · #16 08-21-2011, 01:29 PM

I can't stand of any kind of "____ - Core". It's all just screaming and undynamic shredding or heavy riffs to my ears. No musical fulfillment for me (minus perhaps August Burns Red on their latest album). However, I like Iron Maiden. I can take a little Metallica. I can listen to Mastodon. I can enjoy Avenged Sevenfold. I really like Dream Theater. Metal at least has some dynamic scope to it and interesting musical arrangements. Not to mention that I can tell the bands apart (unlike the majority of core bands). Core stuff is just nothing but noise to me. Noise that covers up usually stellar lyrics, too, and as a lyricist, that's a real shame.

NOTE: this is an opinion. I mean no offense to players of core-anything. I have friends that play it. I just don't like it at all.

cableguy · #17 08-21-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

New target of this thread: comprehensively define Metal in one grammatically correct sentence.

Ready, set, GO!

When a Coug is the voice of reason the end must be near.

ShredderMaximus · #18 08-21-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OPBASSMAN1994

I can't stand of any kind of "____ - Core". It's all just screaming and undynamic shredding or heavy riffs. No musical fulfillment for me (minus perhaps August Burns Red on their latest album). However, I like Iron Maiden. I can take a little Metallica. I can listen to Mastodon. I can enjoy Avenged Sevenfold. I really enjoy Dream Theater. Metal at least has some dynamic scope to it and interesting musical arrangements. Core stuff is just nothing but noise to my ears. Noise that covers up usually stellar lyrics, too, and as a lyricist, that's a real shame.

NOTE: this is an opinion. I mean no offense to players of core-anything. I have friends that play it. I just don't like it at all.

The original hardcore bands sound nothing at all to whats coming out now under that title, I just think that "____-core" sounds better than "extreme pop"

Pilgrim · #19 08-21-2011, 01:40 PM

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When a Coug is the voice of reason the end must be near.

Thanks kindly! See you in Seattle Nov. 26, hopefully wearing Crimson.

Ironderby · #20 08-21-2011, 01:49 PM

i love them, i dislike music snobs telling me different, or that they're bad, its all about taste. Im only 16 and my parents never listen to music, so i've tried to discover as much as i can, i love core bands. But i also think its important to realise how these bands came to be, thats why my band is heavily influenced by Twisted Sister, Poison, Alice Cooper, Guns n Roses, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Black Sabbath.