Drummer Bill Ward Threatens to Quit Black Sabbath

[Richland123]

Drummer Bill Ward Threatens to Quit Black Sabbath

Drummer Bill Ward Threatens to Quit Black Sabbath | Music News | Rolling Stone

[BagelBruin]

Black Sabbath: the best Black Sabbath Tribute band ever.

[ugly_bassplayer]

SHARON!!!!!

[MRDOOM]

Well, that was quick.

[fourstringdrums]

Now I'm a drummer...I love Ozzy, Geezer, and Tony, I USED to love Bill. I don't know why but he has zero appeal to me at this point. I saw them in '99 and something about him being up there with a huge double bass setup and only using 10% of it, or using things "just to use them" kind of put me off.

Give me him in 1970 ripping it up behind your basic 4 piece.

[brndn123]

How much more recognition does one need? He's the drummer for Black F'ing Sabbath.

[sevdog]

Aww geez, and just when they were about to break through to the mainstream. I guess they'll have to settle for only 30+ years as a band.

[fourstringdrums]

Originally Posted by brndn123

How much more recognition does one need? He's the drummer for Black F'ing Sabbath.

Well who knows what they're offering or not, and either he has an inflated ego, or as I wouldn't be surprised is happening, he's getting screwed by Ozzy and Sharon.

[runmikeyrun]

^this is the most likely scenario

[sevdog]

Originally Posted by fourstringdrums

Well who knows what they're offering or not, and either he has an inflated ego, or as I wouldn't be surprised is happening, he's getting screwed by Ozzy and Sharon.

Ding Ding Ding. I think we have a winner.

[fourstringdrums]

Originally Posted by sevdog

Ding Ding Ding. I think we have a winner.

Woo! Where's my turtle wax?

[mellowinman]

I can't see how any of this really matters, at this point.

Black Sabbath stopped being a real band in the seventies.

[Southpaw5]

Yeah i agree on the Sharon and Ozzy thing, well, Sharon at least.

[RexNFX79]

Sharon = Yoko

At least that's where my money is on this one.

[Matt R.]

Originally Posted by mellowinman

Black Sabbath stopped being a real band in the seventies.

[fourstringdrums]

Originally Posted by RexNFX79

Sharon = Yoko

At least that's where my money is on this one.

I disagree. Yoko sings bad and makes bad art. As far as I know, Sharon has zero degree of even bad talent

[ggunn]

I had no idea they were still gigging.

[mellowinman]

Originally Posted by Matt R.

In the early seventies, Black Sabbath was a very original and innovative band. Their first five albums were all very good; the first three are among the greatest albums ever made.

By the time they made "Never Say Die," they were a tired, lackluster act, who nobody wanted to see. That Black Sabbath DIED when they fired Ozzie, and was never to exist again. No reunion can bring that legendary band back, and that is that.

Black Sabbath II, with Ronnie James Dio, had two very good albums, and their tours were fantastic. I was lucky enough to see this eighties version of
Black Sabbath, and as good as it was, it was NOT the real Black Sabbath. This band had a much different feel than the "real" Sabbath. It was far superior to the crappy version of Sabbath that toured in Ozzie's last days with the band, but nothing compared to the original, lean, mean Sabbath of the early to mid seventies.

It was kind of a silly band.

Compare THIS Black Sabbath

Black Sabbath - War Pigs (Live in Paris 1970) - YouTube

Lean, mean, making their entire statement with musical chops; no fancy stage show; minimal drum kit; just pure originality and rock and roll pedigree.

Now look at Black Sabbath II in 1980:

Black Sabbath - Heaven And Hell Live In N.Y. 1980 - YouTube

Oh, yeah; it's still a great band, no question about it. But now it looks like they're TRYING to be Black Sabbath, instead of just BEING Black Sabbath! And now, look at the big concert style drum kit, and listen to what Ward is playing on it! Is there anyone here who couldn't have filled in for him?

And how long did that lineup last?

Next was that "Born Again" with the once great Ian Gillan.

And then, for much of the eighties, the only original member was Iommi!

Black Sabbath, as a band, had long ceased to exist. It was just a name.

I stick to my statement. Black Sabbath really only existed as a REAL BAND for about five or six years, and boy were they great. Then they managed to get a few more years out of it with Black Sabbath II.

I wouldn't go see any reunion Sabbath, because Ozzie is no longer a singer worth hearing; and these guys lost their way, artistically speaking, a long time ago.

That is only my OPINION. If you enjoy the later Sabbath stuff, then go right on ahead and enjoy it.

I can definitely live without any of it.

But I will crank "Master of Reality" as high as the speakers can handle.

[fourstringdrums]

Originally Posted by mellowinman

In the early seventies, Black Sabbath was a very original and innovative band. Their first five albums were all very good; the first three are among the greatest albums ever made.

By the time they made "Never Say Die," they were a tired, lackluster act, who nobody wanted to see. That Black Sabbath DIED when they fired Ozzie, and was never to exist again. No reunion can bring that legendary band back, and that is that.

Black Sabbath II, with Ronnie James Dio, had two very good albums, and their tours were fantastic. I was lucky enough to see this eighties version of
Black Sabbath, and as good as it was, it was NOT the real Black Sabbath. This band had a much different feel than the "real" Sabbath. It was far superior to the crappy version of Sabbath that toured in Ozzie's last days with the band, but nothing compared to the original, lean, mean Sabbath of the early to mid seventies.

It was kind of a silly band.

Compare THIS Black Sabbath

Black Sabbath - War Pigs (Live in Paris 1970) - YouTube

Lean, mean, making their entire statement with musical chops; no fancy stage show; minimal drum kit; just pure originality and rock and roll pedigree.

Now look at Black Sabbath II in 1980:

Black Sabbath - Heaven And Hell Live In N.Y. 1980 - YouTube
And now, look at the big concert style drum kit, and listen to what Ward is playing on it! Is there anyone here who couldn't have filled in for him?

Originally Posted by fourstringdrums

Now I'm a drummer...I love Ozzy, Geezer, and Tony, I USED to love Bill. I don't know why but he has zero appeal to me at this point. I saw them in '99 and something about him being up there with a huge double bass setup and only using 10% of it, or using things "just to use them" kind of put me off.

Give me him in 1970 ripping it up behind your basic 4 piece.

That's what I was saying. He's a completely different drummer now and while change isn't bad, he can't even imitate himself well these days.

[MysticMichael]

Without knowing a bit about the politics going on within the band, I can't help but wonder what's in the draft contract they gave to Bill. And if indeed Sharon & Ozzy, and/or the management company, or anybody else is trying to screw him, why is it that the rest of the band doesn't rise to his defense, and insist that he be offered a fair deal?

Why do these things so often have to get so contentious, and legalistic, and political? Only reasons I can think of would be pride & greed...

MM