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12-07-2006, 03:15 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Coast of Canada | | | Are Drummers Unneccesary in Some Genres???
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No offence meant or anything, but are they???
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12-07-2006, 04:02 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Northern VA | | | Sure. Ever hear The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan? Nebraska? |
12-07-2006, 04:08 PM
|  | On the TB leaderboard for low talent/gear ratios! | | Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: NJ | | Well, in general I'd say no instrument is "necessary" in most genres most of the time. There are of course exceptions. For example, it would be hard to imagine metal without guitars or polkas without accordians.  But I'd bet you could make most genres work with a subset of the instruments you typically see in bands in a given genre.
But I'd have to say that in the "boy-band of the week" genre no drummer is required. In fact, no instruments are required at all. Ever see them on TV? In those "bands" you have somewhere between 3 and 429 singers doing their own choreographed moves while there's triple the number of dancers doing their own stuff on the rest of the stage. I hear the music they're lip syncing to, but there are NO musicians onstage! Where's the band?!?!?!
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12-07-2006, 04:16 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sebring, FL | | Certainly. A drummer would not work at all in the context of my gig, a traditional Catholic Mass with classical guitar, grand piano, and soon-to-be EUB ( ), playing traditional classical-esque Catholic hymns.
No instrument is necessary in every single genre, so keep that in mind and no one should be "offended."  |
12-07-2006, 04:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: north of chicago | | | I don't think you need a drummer at Tuba-Fest
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12-07-2006, 04:44 PM
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12-07-2006, 04:55 PM
|  | Now a major motion picture | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hudson Valley, NY | | | Bluegrass. Hardly ever a drummer.
Various kinds of electronic music: mostly programmed.
Hip-hop.
Drum circles. Always unnecessary. |
12-07-2006, 05:07 PM
|  | I Know Nothing | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Columbia River Gorge, WA. | | | I play tonnes of jazz gigs where a drummer is specifically excluded by the management. But there often times wouldn't be any room for one anyhow. |
12-07-2006, 05:46 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New York, NY | | | If you're a monster (upright) slapper, rockabilly as well.
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12-07-2006, 08:12 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Auburn, Washington | | | Classical?
I've always wondered how time was kept in a classical/orchestral ensemble. Is that what the conductor does? |
12-07-2006, 08:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sebring, FL | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Poop-Loops  Classical?
I've always wondered how time was kept in a classical/orchestral ensemble. Is that what the conductor does? | Actually, most orchestras have extensive percussion sections. Ever heard of a Timpani? |
12-07-2006, 08:33 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern California | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher If you're a monster (upright) slapper, rockabilly as well. | This was the first one that came to mind, but it was alot easier to do a few decades ago when the songs were simpler. |
12-07-2006, 08:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan, USA | | | Yep, I do think so. I like hand-percussion and stuff sometimes.
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12-07-2006, 08:51 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Auburn, Washington | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ElBajista Actually, most orchestras have extensive percussion sections. Ever heard of a Timpani? | ---->  |
12-07-2006, 08:58 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Levy's Leathers Moderator | | Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto/Niagara Falls, Ontario | | | A lot of Latin-based music doesn't have a drummer, but has a ridiculously huge percussion section. |
12-07-2006, 09:06 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Niagara Falls, ON, Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ElBajista Actually, most orchestras have extensive percussion sections. Ever heard of a Timpani? | Apparently not: Quote:
Originally Posted by Poop-Loops ----> | 
Though the timpanist (or other percussion) is not "keeping time" at all. PL's original suggestion that the conductor does this is more correct. It's not so much "keeping time" (like you would holding down the groove in a pop/rock/jazz band) as defining the tempo (& feel, dynamics, etc.). |
12-08-2006, 01:24 AM
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EXAR pedals rep for North & Central America | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX, OR | | | As a drummer/percussionist, I think it's weird that some people here are saying "no drums, but percussion". A standard "traps" drum kit is a type of drums, a set of congas is a type of drums, anything hollow with a head that you hit for rhythm is a drum. I didn't necessarily think the OP was asking "are traps players unnecessary".
At first I also objected to the hip-hop choice, but it's true that a "drummer" per se may not be needed in a lot of those productions.
A fair amount of European folk music can be played without drumming, tango is often played with no drummer, "chamber music", certain Baltic and Asian traditional vocal genres, old-school country and blues... |
12-08-2006, 05:13 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Coast of Canada | | Ya, so I've been listening to some of my extensive metal collection... my conclusion: drums = necessary
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12-08-2006, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DanielTulip There's nothing like double kicks | Sure there is. Headaches, for one. |
12-09-2006, 12:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: nyc | | | In country music, it used to be anathema to use a drummer... Honky Tonk stuff and before... I think Tex Ritter was one of the first to use a drummer (like the High Noon soundtrack) though I could be wrong about that. I know many Western Swing style bands from the late 30s and 40s had drummers, but that's more formal dance music.
Spacemen 3 did pretty well without a drummer, but that's drugged out psychedelic music so anything goes really.
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