Genre Wars

Yngwie 4String · #1 06-20-2007, 10:38 AM

So is anyone else sick of this bull ? Im talking about when people declare war on certain genres of music. Right now it seems that emo is the primary target. Im not abig fan of it, but Im sick of going to youtube and other places for music and you get liek 8 retards taking up space smashing a genre that has nothing to do with the video. I mean I was looking at Motorhead videos and somehwo we went from how much Lemmy kicks ass to an emo bashing. All Im saying is that music is music. I think of music as a place I can go where everything is cool, and their is no negative crap. So can we stop with the bashing.

That being said I do hate pop music and disco, adn Ill tell you why. Those 2 genres are not music created by the artists, they are created by record companies and producers. It reaks of fakeness and that is not what music is about.

So I got one question for yall: Do you feel like I do?

moogboy · #2 06-20-2007, 10:40 AM

i love bashing certain genres.

emo is my favorite to bash. i almost did a comedy skit at my school where i acted like i was Pete Wentz. that was fun to practice for.

stedtale · #3 06-20-2007, 10:46 AM

Wouldn't EMO, by definition, be at war with itself?

lefty007 · #4 06-20-2007, 10:57 AM

Ah, don't sweat it so much. Everybody is entitled to their opinion (in most countries) and one's favorite genre is other's hated genre.

But you are right, bashing genres (or anything for that matter) is not nice, and it gets old really quick when you hear it constantly.

It's all about balancing expression and integrity.

Yngwie 4String · #5 06-20-2007, 11:01 AM

What Im saying man si liek, if Im talking motorhead. I want to talk about how much Lemmy rules, not how much Hawthorne Heights sucks. (I actually like HH btw just an example). I just though that musicians, especially bass players could kind of respect each other a bit.

lemur821 · #6 06-20-2007, 04:14 PM

I don't even know what people mean by emo anymore.

Matt Till · #7 06-20-2007, 04:20 PM

People who aren't in the mainstream for some reason feel they have to bash it. It's a joke. Does their online bitching do anything to stop emo? No.

Who cares if some group of kids at your high school part their hair over their eyes and wear girl pants? And when a fall out boy song comes on the radio, change the station.

davedamage · #8 06-20-2007, 06:06 PM

this has been a looooong time coming...
i really like to think that the only reason people bash emo is because they actually remember when emo was good music. back when bands like embrace, rites of spring and jawbreaker were actually getting away from some of the tough-guy hardcore and crusty punk, but that's not the case. what is going on now is the same assimilation of anything underground or independant that shows the possibility of selling records for a major label, i.e. the whole nu-metal craze, emo, metalcore more recently and whatever the hell this "sweet-southern-riffage" trills and fabricated swagger bulls**t is. i don't really like to bash genres, just the bands that have run them into the ground.

case and point: the commentary track on the botch dvd where they say, "you hear that? we are soooo totally ripping off norma jean!"

the light at the end of the tunnel(for me, at least): mastodon. signed to warner bros, hopefully selling a million records. those guys work their a**es off and deserve all the credit they get. what probably won't happen is 500 other bands sounding like mastodon since very few people would be able to combine the talent and songwriting that makes that band what it is.

sorry for the rant. i've been sitting on this "emo" argument for quite some time.

WalterBush · #9 06-20-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lemur821

I don't even know what people mean by emo anymore.

I never did. If it was on the radio, I probably just assumed it sucked and didn't listen.

To the OP, disco was no more (or less!) put together by record companies than any other form of music has been since the invention of the record company. If you think emo, or any form of music that actually gets airplay, is any less "corporate", or managed, than you don't know how the music business works at that level. Maybe someday you'll find out, but companies don't spend millions of dollars on things that aren't proven sellers.

Record company control and alteration of what an artist wants to do has been going on since the '30s, and probably centuries before that in some way or other before the idea of recording hit Edison's head. Learn to live with it, 'cause it ain't changing. Damn few artists get to the top with their art intact and completely under their control.

Embryodead · #10 06-20-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moogboy

i love bashing certain genres.

emo is my favorite to bash. i almost did a comedy skit at my school where i acted like i was Pete Wentz. that was fun to practice for.

that's because you're a 13 year old.

Yngwie 4String · #11 06-21-2007, 11:42 AM

Dude Id edit that youll get banned bro, and that comment was a bit out of line anyway.

I hate record companies, I would rather tour small towns and bars my whole life thatn change my sound for some suit.

Mastodon does kick ass!

moogboy · #12 06-21-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Embryodead

that's because you're a fag 13 year old.

reported.

Embryodead · #13 06-21-2007, 12:32 PM

Cry about it, don't be one if you don't want to be called one.

Embryodead · #14 06-21-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by davedamage

this has been a looooong time coming...
i really like to think that the only reason people bash emo is because they actually remember when emo was good music. back when bands like embrace, rites of spring and jawbreaker were actually getting away from some of the tough-guy hardcore and crusty punk, but that's not the case. what is going on now is the same assimilation of anything underground or independant that shows the possibility of selling records for a major label, i.e. the whole nu-metal craze, emo, metalcore more recently and whatever the hell this "sweet-southern-riffage" trills and fabricated swagger bulls**t is. i don't really like to bash genres, just the bands that have run them into the ground.

case and point: the commentary track on the botch dvd where they say, "you hear that? we are soooo totally ripping off norma jean!"

the light at the end of the tunnel(for me, at least): mastodon. signed to warner bros, hopefully selling a million records. those guys work their a**es off and deserve all the credit they get. what probably won't happen is 500 other bands sounding like mastodon since very few people would be able to combine the talent and songwriting that makes that band what it is.

sorry for the rant. i've been sitting on this "emo" argument for quite some time.

Mastodon is one of the few bands that actually became better after signing with a large label. I remember seeing them way back when and Troy and the guys were just using extremely crappy gear they didn't have good sound on stage at all, now they have the money to back up their sound.

SundanceChile · #15 06-21-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 4StringFury

So is anyone else sick of this bull ? Im talking about when people declare war on certain genres of music...All Im saying is that music is music. I think of music as a place I can go where everything is cool, and their is no negative crap. So can we stop with the bashing.

That being said I do hate pop music and disco, adn Ill tell you why. Those 2 genres are not music created by the artists, they are created by record companies and producers. It reaks of fakeness and that is not what music is about.

So I got one question for yall: Do you feel like I do?

Contradict much?

Despise the musician, not the music. End of story.

velvetkevorkian · #16 06-22-2007, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedamage

this has been a looooong time coming...
i really like to think that the only reason people bash emo is because they actually remember when emo was good music. back when bands like embrace, rites of spring and jawbreaker were actually getting away from some of the tough-guy hardcore and crusty punk, but that's not the case. what is going on now is the same assimilation of anything underground or independant that shows the possibility of selling records for a major label, i.e. the whole nu-metal craze, emo, metalcore more recently and whatever the hell this "sweet-southern-riffage" trills and fabricated swagger bulls**t is. i don't really like to bash genres, just the bands that have run them into the ground.

case and point: the commentary track on the botch dvd where they say, "you hear that? we are soooo totally ripping off norma jean!"

the light at the end of the tunnel(for me, at least): mastodon. signed to warner bros, hopefully selling a million records. those guys work their a**es off and deserve all the credit they get. what probably won't happen is 500 other bands sounding like mastodon since very few people would be able to combine the talent and songwriting that makes that band what it is.

sorry for the rant. i've been sitting on this "emo" argument for quite some time.

That pretty much nails it.

gottawalk · #17 06-22-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 4StringFury

So is anyone else sick of this bull ? Im talking about when people declare war on certain genres of music. Right now it seems that emo is the primary target. Im not abig fan of it, but Im sick of going to youtube and other places for music and you get liek 8 retards taking up space smashing a genre that has nothing to do with the video. I mean I was looking at Motorhead videos and somehwo we went from how much Lemmy kicks ass to an emo bashing. All Im saying is that music is music. I think of music as a place I can go where everything is cool, and their is no negative crap. So can we stop with the bashing.

That being said I do hate pop music and disco, adn Ill tell you why. Those 2 genres are not music created by the artists, they are created by record companies and producers. It reaks of fakeness and that is not what music is about.

So I got one question for yall: Do you feel like I do?

Wow.

Thanks for making a complete full circle in one post! You are pissed that people bash some music genres, (which is everyone's right since everyone has different tastes in music), and then in the next breath start bashing another genre of music just because you view is as "fake", when there's obviously hundreds of thousands of people out there listening and buying the exact music you abhore.

In a "perfect" world it would be wonderful if no one had negative views on anything, but this is the real world and it's full of diversity. Time to learn to deal with it. You could either avoid all the youtube videos you find offensive to your particular "taste" in music, or respond to the videos in the feedback and make your views known in response to others' comments.

Good luck!

Yngwie 4String · #18 06-25-2007, 11:06 AM

All I said is that I dont like it. I dont do things like get on pop and disco music videos on say liek youtube, adn just start bashing. I leave it alone. I never go out of my way to bash music.

Matt Till · #19 06-25-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Embryodead

Cry about it, don't be one if you don't want to be called one.

Don't be a homosexual if you don't want to be called a homosexual slur? Logic checks out.

MaskedJackal · #20 06-26-2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedamage

this has been a looooong time coming...
i really like to think that the only reason people bash emo is because they actually remember when emo was good music. back when bands like embrace, rites of spring and jawbreaker were actually getting away from some of the tough-guy hardcore and crusty punk, but that's not the case. what is going on now is the same assimilation of anything underground or independant that shows the possibility of selling records for a major label, i.e. the whole nu-metal craze, emo, metalcore more recently and whatever the hell this "sweet-southern-riffage" trills and fabricated swagger bulls**t is. i don't really like to bash genres, just the bands that have run them into the ground.

case and point: the commentary track on the botch dvd where they say, "you hear that? we are soooo totally ripping off norma jean!"

the light at the end of the tunnel(for me, at least): mastodon. signed to warner bros, hopefully selling a million records. those guys work their a**es off and deserve all the credit they get. what probably won't happen is 500 other bands sounding like mastodon since very few people would be able to combine the talent and songwriting that makes that band what it is.

sorry for the rant. i've been sitting on this "emo" argument for quite some time.

Well-put, sir.

4stringFury: IMHO, the best option is ignoring Youtube comments. Post positive ones if you like the video and leave it at that...it'll keep you out of the pointless arguments.