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Kwesi 02-01-2013 09:22 PM

this is gonna sound really silly but...
 
Is there such a thing as secular Gospel? Oxymoronic terminology, I know but I think ya'll get what I mean. Gospel but without the whole religious part :p. Loooooooooove the music, not so much the lyrics. And not necessarily because I'm not Christian but because their just uninteresting/the same thing over and over in every song.

I'd love to hear that sound but with different lyrics or none at all. It's a longshot I know, but I had to ask.

kreider204 02-01-2013 09:29 PM

I'm not sure, but I bet you could find gospel sung in a foreign language you don't know. Then you could enjoy just the sound of it without the lyrical content bothering you.

Kwesi 02-01-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kreider204 (Post 13815861)
I'm not sure, but I bet you could find gospel sung in a foreign language you don't know. Then you could enjoy just the sound of it without the lyrical content bothering you.

That's a great idea! I wouldn't even know where to begin to look though.

Unrepresented 02-01-2013 10:32 PM

I am intrigued by this idea.

pedroims 02-01-2013 10:43 PM

Much of the soul/R&B genre has deep roots in traditional gospel, contemporary gospel is influenced by R&B ,hip hop and funk. Look in those styles but I would say that modern R&B its your answer. something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BfXDk47ws

DiabolusInMusic 02-01-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pedroims (Post 13816086)
Much of the soul/R&B genre has deep roots in traditional gospel, contemporary gospel is very influenced by R&B and hip hop. R&B its your answer

+1. I have had a lot of gospel students and I just teach them R&B stylings... because I too cannot stand the lyrics in god rock either... worse drivel than pop music just about god instead of love.

f64 02-01-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwesi (Post 13816032)
That's a great idea! I wouldn't even know where to begin to look though.

Try New Orleans. Nobody can understand them.

lunarpollen 02-01-2013 11:02 PM

Gospel-style music but with secular lyrics. Sure it exists, not as a scene or trend, but plenty of bands have done it to one degree or another. Not really my cup of tea but the concept is valid.

megafiddle 02-01-2013 11:19 PM

Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but might be worth a listen.
She has an extraordinary voice. It's a version of Jimmy Cliff's song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Iti-3XTso

Violen 02-01-2013 11:54 PM

Ever heard of Ray Charles?

king_biscuit 02-02-2013 12:09 AM

I always thought this sounded like secular gospel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV5Nkah8nP8

Kwesi 02-02-2013 12:32 AM

Just to clarify a bit I mean urban gospel/black gospel. That's what I'm after musically, Fred Hammond, Israel Houghton, etc

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Originally Posted by megafiddle (Post 13816178)
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but might be worth a listen.
She has an extraordinary voice. It's a version of Jimmy Cliff's song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Iti-3XTso

This is it! I'm looking for more of the upbeat hard groovin stuff but otherwise this is exactly what I'm after! Thanks!

bass12 02-02-2013 12:49 AM

Interesting question. I've always loved the power of gospel music but I agree that sometimes the lyrics can be a bit much. I feel the same way about a lot of reggae...

hrodbert696 02-02-2013 05:24 AM

Not my field of expertise, but that's what I always thought soul music was - gospel techniques with secular themes. Seems like all those great soul singers learned their chops in gospel choirs as kids.

dDaddybass 02-02-2013 05:41 AM

+1 on Ray Charles

Kwesi 02-02-2013 09:43 AM

I appreciate the suggestions but I don't think I've been clear enough about what I'm after so here are some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RL6be8yN4Y&t=17m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i_VyA5HoBw

Duckwater 02-02-2013 09:47 AM

I'm an Atheist and I love Gospel music. I'm really picky about lyrics and most of the time I find them uncreative and unintelligent in any genre of music, so I have learned to block out the words and listen to the melody of the vocals.

qervo 02-02-2013 09:56 AM

Perhaps try Donnie McClurkin, Mary Mary, or Kirk Franklin

Kwesi 02-02-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Duckwater (Post 13817545)
I'm an Atheist and I love Gospel music. I'm really picky about lyrics and most of the time I find them uncreative and unintelligent in any genre of music, so I have learned to block out the words and listen to the melody of the vocals.

My problem exactly.

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Originally Posted by qervo (Post 13817585)
Perhaps try Donnie McClurkin, Mary Mary, or Kirk Franklin

I'll be sure to check out the other artists but Kirk Franklin IS a gospel artist or has he gone secular in the last few years, haha?

Now that I think of it, it would be kind of cool to see a gospel musician go secular but continue to still make music (nothing hateful, of course, just cool jams sans all the God bits).

qervo 02-02-2013 10:19 AM

They are gospel artist but I find their lyrics not so redundant ,, especially Mary Mary . She got some cool grooves


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