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11-30-2005, 12:56 PM
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Wow, for those of you (us) that have followed the Dead over the years, some startling news and a battle over the famed Tapers. Archive Ends Dead Downloads
Article from NYT on the Brouhaha: Brouhaha
What is seems to have come down to is this: The Dead's drummers have decided that they are no longer interested in Deadheads trading their shows on line. Unfortunately, they pulled access to all the soundboards thay had allowed to be posted at the Live Music Archive. Apparently Phil Lesh is not on their side.
Double unfortunately, they also attempted to halt trading of the audience tapes they had allowed for 35 years.
Needless to say, there's some folks upset out there, taking it out on their hackysacks as we speak. I'm sure that's not the end of this.
I have used the Live Music Archives and loved having access to those shows. There were over 3500 Dead shows posted there at one point, many authorized sound board recordings. While not all Dead shows are great, IMHO there are some truly great moments in music performance that I have gotten from there.
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11-30-2005, 01:12 PM
| | Notes we play > Gear we play them on | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Wisconsin | | Oh, man. There's going to be a lot of enraged hippies.  (If there is such a thing.) |
11-30-2005, 01:27 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Boston, Taxachusetts | | | The NY Times article makes an interesting point. Now that the band no longer tours constantly the value of the archives to generate revenue is suddenly important.
The Dead have now discovered the conundrum of free downloads, it removes ALL value for the product. Why buy Dick's Picks volume #666 for $15 when you can download the same show free? |
11-30-2005, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by brianrost The NY Times article makes an interesting point. Now that the band no longer tours constantly the value of the archives to generate revenue is suddenly important.
The Dead have now discovered the conundrum of free downloads, it removes ALL value for the product. Why buy Dick's Picks volume #666 for $15 when you can download the same show free? | Right theoretically, but the shows were always pulled when one was turned into a commercial release, so you couldn't download Dick's Pick's #666. At least the soundboards were.
I thought the system had been working pretty well, but apparently Grateful Dead Productions still has rent to pay...
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11-30-2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperDuck Oh, man. There's going to be a lot of enraged hippies. (If there is such a thing.) |
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that's not right, bro |
11-30-2005, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jkritchey Wow, for those of you (us) that have followed the Dead over the years, some startling news and a battle over the famed Tapers. Archive Ends Dead Downloads
Article from NYT on the Brouhaha: Brouhaha
What is seems to have come down to is this: The Dead's drummers have decided that they are no longer interested in Deadheads trading their shows on line. Unfortunately, they pulled access to all the soundboards thay had allowed to be posted at the Live Music Archive. Apparently Phil Lesh is not on their side.
Double unfortunately, they also attempted to halt trading of the audience tapes they had allowed for 35 years.
Needless to say, there's some folks upset out there, taking it out on their hackysacks as we speak. I'm sure that's not the end of this.
I have used the Live Music Archives and loved having access to those shows. There were over 3500 Dead shows posted there at one point, many authorized sound board recordings. While not all Dead shows are great, IMHO there are some truly great moments in music performance that I have gotten from there. |
I guess this is where the free ride ends then. IMO they have every right to decide that they no longer want to give away their music for free. I guess I'd be bummed if I was a fan but it wouldn't change my opinion on that.
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11-30-2005, 02:46 PM
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11-30-2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DigMe I guess this is where the free ride ends then. IMO they have every right to decide that they no longer want to give away their music for free. I guess I'd be bummed if I was a fan but it wouldn't change my opinion on that.
brad cook | They certainly have the right, but the folks who have been taping, trading, collecting (and indirectly promoting) also have the right to gripe and point out the inconsistency (hypocrisy?) in encouraging said taping and trading for 35 years, then pulling the plug.
But they certainly have the right.
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11-30-2005, 03:33 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington, DC / Ithaca, NY | | | They're making a mistake. It seems bad form for such a fan-driven band, whose culture was created around circulation of dead shows, to just stop the practice. In the end, they'll lose more income from angry deadheads than they will have gained in marketing schemes, methinks. |
11-30-2005, 10:52 PM
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That's so harsh - what a bunch of grumpy old men. IMHO they need to give the whole 'Dead' thing a rest - the party is over.
Phil & Friends is better anyway 
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12-01-2005, 04:39 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Central OH | | | "The Dead's ""drummers"" have decided" Enough said.
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12-01-2005, 10:36 AM
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Seems that they are moderating the stance a bit. Sounboards available to stream, but not download. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177287,00.html
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12-01-2005, 02:00 PM
| | Howzit brah | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Kauai, HI | | that didn't take long -
still, I just don't see the interest in 'The Dead' anymore 
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12-03-2005, 05:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacific Northwet, USA | | | the downloads are back (AUD only) and SB's will be streamed.
as for not being interested in the Dead anymore..
go to phil lesh dot com and listen to the stream of Unbroken Chain
great great stuff! |
12-03-2005, 07:59 AM
| | | | Hmmm...wonder if they can track down the downloaders and sue them? Comes down to the same old thing...money. Look at the Metalica fiasco....good ol Lars made a lot of new fans from that one. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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