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12-23-2006, 03:59 PM
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Ibanez is about to release a production eight string guitar with a 30' scale length. And it'll be tuned (from high to low) D-A-F-C-G-D-A-E
I guess that it was only a matter of time until guitarists would respond to extended range basses threading in on their pitch range.
I wonder how well this will sell...
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12-23-2006, 04:08 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada | | | Not a problem until they start competing in the bass' range. From the tuning you list, I take it the low E is the standard low E of a 6-string guitar.
Personally, I don't think it'll catch on. The one group of musicians that are more "traditionalist" than bassists are probably guitarists. |
12-23-2006, 04:09 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Long Island, NY | | | As for ERGs in general, baritone guitars and 7 strings have been around a while, but with the exception of metal and occasionally jazz you don't hear them much. They seem to be a very niche item.
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12-23-2006, 04:12 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Austin, TX | | Black Machine does much better looking 8s than Ibanez.  
Though, the customs Meshuggah use are pretty badass looking.
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12-23-2006, 04:15 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Auburn, Washington | | | People should stop making instruments with more strings and start making people with more fingers. |
12-23-2006, 04:16 PM
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12-23-2006, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Smallmouth_Bass  Not a problem until they start competing in the bass' range. From the tuning you list, I take it the low E is the standard low E of a 6-string guitar. | Nope, it's the low E of a bass. Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallmouth_Bass Personally, I don't think it'll catch on. The one group of musicians that are more "traditionalist" than bassists are probably guitarists. | Try searching on a fellow called Rusty Cooley and the impact he's making on the scene right now and you realise that not all guitarists are traditionalists.
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12-23-2006, 04:56 PM
|  | I took the one less traveled by | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reims, Champagne, France | | | It's a bit strange to mention Rusty Cooley along with innovation, since he must have the most traditional 80s metal playing you could think of.
ERG is a small niche just like ERB but it exists. There's a guy in town playing an 8 string guitar that goes down to our F#. He certainly plays bass lines on it. |
12-23-2006, 04:57 PM
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Rogue luthier employed at Knooren Handcrafted bass guitars | | Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Netherlands | | Here's Rusty Cooley showing how the 8 string guitar could be used in metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhg9zKqnzk
And here's Jason Crawford showing how the 8 string guitar can be used in jazz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ai_oM1joGw
I'm sure that the second one would make you worry...
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12-23-2006, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jazz Ad It's a bit strange to mention Rusty Cooley along with innovation, since he must have the most traditional 80s metal playing you could think of. | And there are dozens of guys out there that wipe the floor with him in pretty much any given area you could ask.
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12-23-2006, 05:04 PM
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Rogue luthier employed at Knooren Handcrafted bass guitars | | Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Netherlands | | | Which actually confirms the fact that there's a market for extended range guitars and that there's plenty of young players willing to learn to play them and be virtuosos.
Which is always a good thing.
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12-23-2006, 05:09 PM
| | I took the one less traveled by | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reims, Champagne, France | | | The 10 string nylon guitar is quite common in classical music.
I wonder why you don't find more of them in electrics. |
12-23-2006, 05:16 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA | | I am hereby forbidding my guitarist from getting one of these. She has a 7 string and listens to lots of Meshuggah. Low E is just too low for a guitar (and for a guitar amp) 
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12-23-2006, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Blazer |
that guy's amazing! I really enjoyed that video. It's insane how fat and bass-like those bottom strings sound 
Rusty Cooley on the other hand  what a bloody wanker! |
12-23-2006, 05:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newtown, PA, USA | | | You sure about that tuning? I would expect it to be BEADGBEA. Just like a 6-string bass - one string a fourth lower than the lowest string, and one string a fourth higher than the highest string.
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12-23-2006, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewd I am hereby forbidding my guitarist from getting one of these. She has a 7 string and listens to lots of Meshuggah. Low E is just too low for a guitar (and for a guitar amp) | Oh really, then please answer me, through what kind of amps did John Entwistle and Jack Bruce amplify their basses when they just started making themselves known?
Marshall Guitar amps, used for their sheer volume. 
In those days there simply wasn't any bass amp around with sufficient power. The use of guitar amps also accounted for the trebly growly tone those two were known for.
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12-23-2006, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Blazer | Jason is pretty good, sounds like he is trying to be a one man band. Both parts he is playing are OK but neither are great.
Still very interesting. It's pretty amazing he can contort his hand like that to get to all the strings.
EDIT: OK, he's not pretty good, he's REAL good. I am jealous. :-)
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12-23-2006, 05:35 PM
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12-23-2006, 05:44 PM
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12-23-2006, 05:45 PM
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