Guitars?

[PRUNEFACE]

Anyone here play guitar?
Any experience with PRS Custom 22's and 24's, 513's, or the Dave Navarro signature?
Anyone play a Gibson SG? Any specific models you like?


Thanks

[coreyfyfe]

I've played the Custom 22 and CE24's that my guitarists owned. The one with the CE24 still owns it, and he loves it. The one that had the Custom 22 bought it on ebay, hated it, and sold it pretty quick. The Custom 22 was a 10 top, beautiful guitar, stop tail, trans blue finish. I (and he) could never get used to the wide/flat neck. I thought the tone was alright, but I felt that the Gibsons he was playing sounded a little meatier, probably due to the mahogany bodies/necks. He was all around unhappy with the guitar and flipped it for another gibson.

[PRUNEFACE]

I'm pretty sure the Custom 22's are made entirely out of mahagony (except the fretboard.)

[fenderhutz]

For the price, a used US made Faded Cherry SG fits the bill for around 400-500 bucks.

I recorded "Freak" at www.tellhazelrun.com with one. (I am also playing all of the instruments).

[coreyfyfe]

Checked the website, appears as thought you are correct sir. Either way, the ears don't lie, it was not a tone I preferred over the gibson (with the usual caveat of YMMV of course).

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by coreyfyfe

Checked the website, appears as thought you are correct sir. Either way, the ears don't lie, it was not a tone I preferred over the gibson (with the usual caveat of YMMV of course).

I'm not exactly a big fan of the LP (better than a strat though) and from what I've heard, the SG is supposed to be "thinner," so I would imagine that it would be more simalir in sound to the PRS mahogony bodies.

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by fenderhutz

For the price, a used US made Faded Cherry SG fits the bill for around 400-500 bucks.

I recorded "Freak" at www.tellhazelrun.com with one. (I am also playing all of the instruments).

I'm not necessarily looking for a used instrument/low low priced instrument, just whatever sounds best. I think the SG sound I like the most is with P90s.
I am interested in the PRS becasue they're supposed to be very versatile.
Another thing I was wondering about was whether the Custom 22 (or similar instrument) has a good rhythm (neck) tone.

[MyUsernameHere]

Both PRS and Gibson guitars will vary greatly from guitar to guitar. Some are unbelievably good, some are just OK. Don't know if I'd buy either sight unseen unless I got a really good deal and knew I could flip it without loosing money.

That said, I like the Custom 22 better than the 24. It seems to sound a little better with the neck pickup soloed. A buddy of mine had a CE for a short while. He seemed to like it alright, but end up getting rid of it pretty quickly for a custom Brian Moore. Haven't played a 513 so I can't comment on those. Was jonesing for one forever though, just never ran into one to try out.

SGs are sweat as well. Very playable and have a sound all their own. The necks are generally a little too thin for me but if I had unlimited funds, it would definitely be one of the guitars I would buy if only to be able to get that sound.

If you're thinking about buying one of these brands, keep in mind that they aren't the only brands in that price range that make excellent instruments.

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by MyUsernameHere

Both PRS and Gibson guitars will vary greatly from guitar to guitar. Some are unbelievably good, some are just OK. Don't know if I'd buy either sight unseen unless I got a really good deal and knew I could flip it without loosing money.

That said, I like the Custom 22 better than the 24. It seems to sound a little better with the neck pickup soloed. A buddy of mine had a CE for a short while. He seemed to like it alright, but end up getting rid of it pretty quickly for a custom Brian Moore. Haven't played a 513 so I can't comment on those. Was jonesing for one forever though, just never ran into one to try out.

SGs are sweat as well. Very playable and have a sound all their own. The necks are generally a little too thin for me but if I had unlimited funds, it would definitely be one of the guitars I would buy if only to be able to get that sound.

If you're thinking about buying one of these brands, keep in mind that they aren't the only brands in that price range that make excellent instruments.

One of the things I had heard about the 22's (Ed roman...) is that its neck pickup was in a bad place. Something about it being in the harmonic "node" where it's sound would be stifled/mid ranges cut.

And yeah, I've also been looking at some highend Ibanez's, but they, like many other guitars (other than Gibsons and PRS's) in that price range just seem to be a little too "metal."
I'm trying to avoid a strat, becasue for some reason I just can't stand their thin, nasal (compared to Gibson's) sound.

[MyUsernameHere]

First off...don't listen to anything (well...most of what) Roman says. Its the exact same thing as taking anything one of us on this board would say as gospel. Really its just one self-important douche's personal opinion amplified because he has an internet site. Except in his case its a thinly veiled attempt to sell his own guitar brands. Not that I would be above that sort of thing if I was in his situation. Its just that his opinions aren't without bias.

When I was suggesting other brands, I didn't really mean Ibanez. What price range are you talking about? The 513, Custom 22/24, etc... are pretty expensive. I was thinking more along the lines of Hamer, Brian Moore USA, McInturff...even Ernie Ball. Lots of other brands out there too, I'm just too lazy to try and remember them right now.

From a quality to money spent perspective, I'd suggest finding a Hamer dealer and checking out their stuff. I have a Monaco Elite and its one of the best guitars I've ever seen/played.

[Gubna]

I've owned Fender strats, a Gibson Studio Les Paul, a couple Epiphones - including a G400 which is basically an SG. I didn't like the way it felt. Maybe it had a bit of neckdive. I think I'd stick with strats, or guitars shaped that way.

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by MyUsernameHere

First off...don't listen to anything (well...most of what) Roman says. Its the exact same thing as taking anything one of us on this board would say as gospel. Really its just one self-important douche's personal opinion amplified because he has an internet site. Except in his case its a thinly veiled attempt to sell his own guitar brands. Not that I would be above that sort of thing if I was in his situation. Its just that his opinions aren't without bias.

When I was suggesting other brands, I didn't really mean Ibanez. What price range are you talking about? The 513, Custom 22/24, etc... are pretty expensive. I was thinking more along the lines of Hamer, Brian Moore USA, McInturff...even Ernie Ball. Lots of other brands out there too, I'm just too lazy to try and remember them right now.

From a quality to money spent perspective, I'd suggest finding a Hamer dealer and checking out their stuff. I have a Monaco Elite and its one of the best guitars I've ever seen/played.

I also like the EBR Luke guitar and have heard good things about it, but the Hamer's are nice, but I'd rather avoid a hollow/semihollow bodied instrument. My main goal is getting a rock sound, but if versatility comes with it that'd be nice too. That's why I was looking at PRSs.
And yeah, I was taking the Ed Roman thing with a grain of salt (well, the whole salt shaker) but I did want to have my misgivings confirmed by a third party...

[mvw356]

i've got 2 PRS guitars (us made), but no dave navarro. all i can say is that they are fine guitars if you like them. they are not a strat and not a LP, so try before you buy. they are not the best guitars in the world, but they have some features that i really like so i'm happy. nothing is perfect.

edit , ed roman is full of ship with his stuff about the pickup location. that guy repainted lefthand olp to look like ernie ball guitars and sold them for that price tag. not a trustworthy source!!!!!!!!

[Georynn]

I swapped the pickups in my SG out with a T500 bridge and a R498 neck. sounds pretty gainy... DEFINITELY NOT THIN...

Bought a Les Paul Classic, swapped the pickups in it out with the Duncans in a PRS... Guess what... sounds like a PRS...

Played a couple of PRS's but never been brave enough to swap pickups in one... I'd pick my SG over a PRS tone wise any day...

Playability, I dont know... I've played a few pretty nice PRS's...

And they do really VARY from instrument to instrument.

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by mvw356

i've got 2 PRS guitars (us made), but no dave navarro. all i can say is that they are fine guitars if you like them. they are not a strat and not a LP, so try before you buy. they are not the best guitars in the world, but they have some features that i really like so i'm happy. nothing is perfect.

edit , ed roman is full of ship with his stuff about the pickup location. that guy repainted lefthand olp to look like ernie ball guitars and sold them for that price tag. not a trustworthy source!!!!!!!!

Which models of PRS do you have? The Dave Navarro is supposed to be a Custom 24, minus the figured top.

[mvw356]

swamp ash special and a singelcut with p-90's. forget the dave navarro model, it's the same as custom 24 but more expensive. i think that the neck shape is standard wide fat like most of them. 10 top or not makes no difference in sound and on a solid finish there is no point in putting a 10 top.

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by mvw356

swamp ash special and a singelcut with p-90's. forget the dave navarro model, it's the same as custom 24 but more expensive. i think that the neck shape is standard wide fat like most of them. 10 top or not makes no difference in sound and on a solid finish there is no point in putting a 10 top.

It's actually about 800 cheaper on MusiciansFriend.

[mvw356]

Originally Posted by PRUNEFACE

It's actually about 800 cheaper on MusiciansFriend.

really? hm i though the signature guitars were more expensive than the model they are based on..... well buy it then

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by mvw356

really? hm i though the signature guitars were more expensive than the model they are based on..... well buy it then

PRS was logical in pricing this one... You essentially get the same instrument minus the top.

[PRUNEFACE]

Do PRS Custom 22's produce good rhythm tones? I'm really interested in those Dragon pickups but Ed Roman's "Law of Physics" has me concerned...