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Old 10-29-2009, 12:28 AM
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So my dad said he'd get me a guitar within the $600 budget. I was looking into some guitars with humbuckers. Especially those with P-90s. So I narrowed my options down to these two guitars:

Epiphone Casino

Schecter PT Fastneck

Note: I know the PT doesnt really have P-90s, but they still have humbuckers.

And the reason why I'm asking a bass guitar forum for opinions rather than a guitar forum is because out of prejudice, I assume that I'm going to get more worthwhile advice here. That and most bassists I've met are better guitarists than most guitarists I've met.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:22 AM
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But if you really have your heart set on one of those two, I personally would go with the Casino.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:51 AM
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I was looking into some guitars with humbuckers. Especially those with P-90s
Uh..... P-90's are not humbucking pickups. They're single-coils

Each type has a very distinctive character, and there isn't much tonal overlap between the two. Single-coils are relatively bright - the tone is biased towards the high end of the audio spectrum . Humbuckers tend to be more biased toward the midrange

Also, single-coils can be very noisy under certain conditions - usually when you're fairly close to flourescent or neon lights. This tendency of single-coils to pick up unwanted 60cycle hum from the power source of the lights is why humbuckers were developed. To "buck the hum", as it were

Now that we've got that little detail out of the way.......

These are two very different styles of guitar, and a lot will depend on what you intend on using it for. IMHO the Casino would be a better choice for jazz or "mellow" sorts of rock, since it is a full hollowbody and will feedback at high volume levels. The Schecter is potentially more versatile, since it's basically a Tele copy with humbuckers - suitable for a much wider range of musical styles - and will definitely have much more sustain and resistance to feedback at high volume levels, since it is a solidbody

For the price point, you're pretty much locked into imported instruments like these. Not that big a deal any more, since even the Chinese (which is who are making the Epis these days) have mostly gotten their act together and generally make acceptable stuff at this price range and above

It definitely pays to read as many unbiased (as in, not from a merchant who is trying to sell you one....) reviews as possible. IMO one good place to find reviews like that is the Harmony Central website. Take special note of the various comments on fit & finish, and suitability for various styles of music

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/r...ne/Casino/10/1

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/r...+Fastback/10/1

You might also do an internet search for both of these instruments and look for guitar forums that have posts on these two, as well. Personally, I would take any vendor's "review" with a grain of salt. Their major priority is to sell you one, and consequently they're not going to be as eager to tell you about possible problems as someone who actually bought one.....

In any case, for my 2¢ worth I would get the Schecter, based on versatility more than anything else. The Casino is much more limited in what it will do well, and presents a major feedback problem if you ever intend to play LOUD

One more thing....

Ideally, you are better off going to a store that has one or the other in stock, rather than buying sight-unseen from a website. No two instruments in this price range are exactly alike- even two of the exact same make and model. Handling the actual instrument before you buy can save you considerable grief by allowing you to catch major problems or other deal-breakers before you lay down the cash
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Uh..... P-90's are not humbucking pickups. They're single-coils
Kinman has made the P-90 humbucking in the Kinman P-90 Hx.
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Kinman has made the P-90 humbucking in the Kinman P-90 Hx.
So I've read on the internet

OTOH There are literally tens of thousands of P-90 type pickups in circulation out there, including the ones on the Epi Casino in question, that are all single-coils that closely copy the original Gibson design

The Kinman pickups are the exception that proves the rule- and only if they even sound remotely like a real P-90.....
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Thanks. To be honest though, I have no idea what I'm looking for in a guitar. It's always been easier for me to know what I want in a bass, but guitar... just want an electric guitar to start out with, and then proceed to branch out from there.

Any suggestions for a particular easy to find model would be highly appreciated.

But to be honest, I actually have no idea what kind of guitar I'm looking for. I may look into the PT Fastneck though, as you said, it's quite versatile.

Although, what are you thoughts on just a standard MIM Telecaster? I might look into that as well too, but again, I may just fallback on a PT Fastneck instead since it might be just as versatile.

And yes, I will be playing lots of loud music. We're talking shoegaze or post-rock loud, but I may take some steps into funk and bossa nova (I can just use a nylon guitar, but I'm lazy) too for kicks.
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I'd get the Casino. Actually I kind of wish I had one myself......
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For $600 why not just get a really nice, used Ibanez? My friend picked up an Ibanez JEM(Steve Vai model) for $500 with a hard shell case about 2 years ago. It`s considered the "low end" model, but it plays and sounds better than any guitar I`ve ever encountered.
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$600 is the going rate for MIA fenders on the good old craigslist... you could easily pick up a nice gibson les paul for that kinda stratch. look through your local craigslist and see if you can find something really nice.

I personally wouldn't spend $600 on a new guitar/bass, I'm either spending $200 (thanks rondo!) or $1200, not in between.
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:11 AM
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Find yourself a Paul Reed Smith Double Soap Bar SE series if you want the P-90 tone thing.They have great workmanship and come awful close to the tone mojo and feel of a good Les Paul Special or Junior. The good news is that they should be in your budget range, and you might be able to snag a good used one.
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RONDO! Get an agile!

But seriously I wouldn't spend a ton on your first guitar especially since you aren't sure what you want persay. Get something that even later on down the road will still be good to have,

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Are you handy with tools? Hold a spray can steady? www.bulldogbodies.com I picked up the P90 model for 283 shipped. Just starting the build but the quality looks good. Toss in some parts from GFS or eBay and you ought to be able to squeak in under 600. Only thing I'm planning on having a pro do is place the studs for the wrapover bridge.





+1 on the Rondo Agile if I wasn't going to try and make one myself. If this one comes out nice I may make another with a Floyd Rose.
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