The History of the Eagles Parts 1 & 2 Documentary Movie released

[burk48237]

Originally Posted by Ric5

I like Timothy B Schmidt's fretless playing ... on some of the recent DVDs Timothy plays a Pedulla Buzz fretless and gets a nice growl.

Timothy B's bass line on Hotel California is a great and imminently exceptional bass line in a sea of other mediocre bass lines in the Eagles catalog. I liked some of their tunes, loved Henlys voice, but was never a fan of their complete repertoire to the extent I liked early Chicago, Steely Dan, Doobie Brothers, Zep, the Allman Brothers or a few of the other really great bands of that era.

The broke some ground in country-rock, but having never been a huge country fan it didn't mean much to me. I view the Eagles at about the same level as Humble Pie. A great band by todays standards, a mediocre band in the list of stand outs in their era.

[jaywa]

Every member of the classic Eagles lineup can play multiple instruments at a pro level.

Every member.

And sing, and write. I'm not sure what other definition of "talent" there can be.

[elgecko]

Originally Posted by burk48237

Timothy B's bass line on Hotel California is a great and imminently exceptional bass line in a sea of other mediocre bass lines in the Eagles catalog...

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Timothy just cop Randy Meisner's line? At any rate, he did a commendable of copping Pino's fretless lines on Henley's solo stuff.

[jerry]

Originally Posted by burk48237

Timothy B's bass line on Hotel California is a great and imminently exceptional bass line in a sea of other mediocre bass lines in the Eagles catalog.

It was Randy Meisner on the original Hotel California version.

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by burk48237

Timothy B's bass line on Hotel California is a great and imminently exceptional bass line in a sea of other mediocre bass lines in the Eagles catalog.

It was Randy Meisner on the HC album, not TBS.

But I have seen TBS play it live many times, and he does a great job.

(I also saw Randy play it live in 1976 during their HC tour, and he did a great job too!)

EDIT: Jerry beat me to it!

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by elgecko

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Timothy just cop Randy Meisner's line? At any rate, he did a commendable of copping Pino's fretless lines on Henley's solo stuff.

He sure did! I've seen (live) TBS play his Carvin fretless, and later his Pedulla Buzz, and TBS nails it every time! (But I always notice that TBS is really concentrating on his fingering when he is playing the fretless).

[bassinplace]

I never dug The Eagles much. They had just enough rock in their sound to make them sound wimpy, to my ears. I never cared for the melodies much either.

[blue4]

Felder says in his book that he wrote the bassline to HC, and taught it to Meisner.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by jaywa

Every member of the classic Eagles lineup can play multiple instruments at a pro level.

Every member.

And sing, and write. I'm not sure what other definition of "talent" there can be.

Hard to argue with their talent, certainly. Doesn't mean everybody has to like it. Is Yanni talented? Kenny G? Phillip Glass? Enya?
They certainly are, but they do nothing for me.
Eagles? Like some of their stuff a lot. Some, not so much.

[jaywa]

Originally Posted by dmusic148

Hard to argue with their talent, certainly. Doesn't mean everybody has to like it.

No argument there. I just get tired of people who say that since the Eagles primarily made their name in light country rock, they can't play. They most definitely can play.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by jaywa

No argument there. I just get tired of people who say that since the Eagles primarily made their name in light country rock, they can't play. They most definitely can play.

Totally agree. Those guys can play circles around most of us, I'm sure.

[jerry]

Originally Posted by jaywa

No argument there. I just get tired of people who say that since the Eagles primarily made their name in light country rock, they can't play. They most definitely can play.

That goes back to the early 70's, a lot of people and music press thought it was cool to dis the whole southern California scene including Jackson Brown, James Taylor, Eagles etc. All those guys had monster bands.

[jaywa]

Warren Zevon could throw down too.

The werewolf song was fun and all but there was a lot more than that going on with that cat.

[tbplayer59]

Originally Posted by jerry

That goes back to the early 70's, a lot of people and music press thought it was cool to dis the whole southern California scene including Jackson Brown, James Taylor, Eagles etc. All those guys had monster bands.

Rolling stone magazine had a famous feud with the Eagles, constantly bashing their work with bad reviews, citing the soft California sound.

[Munjibunga]

It was a huge loss for them when Felder left. Now they have a technician playing lead guitar (aside from Walsh). He's good at copying Felder, but the feel isn't there.

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

It was a huge loss for them when Felder left. Now they have a technician playing lead guitar (aside from Walsh). He's good at copying Felder, but the feel isn't there.

Yeah, Steuart Smith does a pretty good job covering Felder's work, but I agree...the feel isn't quite there.

I recall seeing Felder (with the Eagles) in 1976 on their Hotel Cal tour, and I have to say that Felder is one heck of an excellent guitarist. He plays so tastefully and creatively. IMO, he is a fantastic guitarist. I also think that his "Mr. Nice Guy" persona he tries to put across in interviews is total BS, and he is actually suffering from an over-inflated ego and delusions that he wrote everything. It's no wonder Frey wanted to punch him in the face when they finished the HFO tour in '94, and Henley fortunately stepped in and fired ahole Felder before fisticuffs. I know alot of people like to make a hobby out of saying Henley is a dictator and such, but I have nothing but respect for Henley...he did what needed to be done. Felder was out of control. I also happen to be of the opinion that Henley has one of the best sounding voices on the planet. (Purely opinion there, of course.)

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by SactoBass

Yeah, Steuart Smith does a pretty good job covering Felder's work, but I agree...the feel isn't quite there.

I recall seeing Felder (with the Eagles) in 1976 on their Hotel Cal tour, and I have to say that Felder is one heck of an excellent guitarist. He plays so tastefully and creatively. IMO, he is a fantastic guitarist. I also think that his "Mr. Nice Guy" persona he tries to put across in interviews is total BS, and he is actually suffering from an over-inflated ego and delusions that he wrote everything. It's no wonder Frey wanted to punch him in the face when they finished the HFO tour in '94, and Henley fortunately stepped in and fired ahole Felder before fisticuffs. I know alot of people like to make a hobby out of saying Henley is a dictator and such, but I have nothing but respect for Henley...he did what needed to be done. Felder was out of control. I also happen to be of the opinion that Henley has one of the best sounding voices on the planet. (Purely opinion there, of course.)

I'd be real interested in knowing how much Felder settled for in his lawsuit. I'm betting it was 8 figures.

[blue4]

Originally Posted by SactoBass

Yeah, Steuart Smith does a pretty good job covering Felder's work, but I agree...the feel isn't quite there.

I recall seeing Felder (with the Eagles) in 1976 on their Hotel Cal tour, and I have to say that Felder is one heck of an excellent guitarist. He plays so tastefully and creatively. IMO, he is a fantastic guitarist. I also think that his "Mr. Nice Guy" persona he tries to put across in interviews is total BS, and he is actually suffering from an over-inflated ego and delusions that he wrote everything. It's no wonder Frey wanted to punch him in the face when they finished the HFO tour in '94, and Henley fortunately stepped in and fired ahole Felder before fisticuffs. I know alot of people like to make a hobby out of saying Henley is a dictator and such, but I have nothing but respect for Henley...he did what needed to be done. Felder was out of control. I also happen to be of the opinion that Henley has one of the best sounding voices on the planet. (Purely opinion there, of course.)

TBH he doesn't claim anything but the music to Hotel California and some guitar solos in his book. Not to take his side, because he cries a lot in his book. He claimed Randy M was one of the best musicians he worked with and he was good friends with Bernie L before they were in the Eagles, so I'm betting the relationship was bad almost from the start. Who really knows what went on I guess

[burk48237]

Originally Posted by SactoBass

It was Randy Meisner on the HC album, not TBS.

But I have seen TBS play it live many times, and he does a great job.

(I also saw Randy play it live in 1976 during their HC tour, and he did a great job too!)

EDIT: Jerry beat me to it!

I stand corrected. Either way it's a great bass line, and nothing else in their catalog compares to it.

I'm not suggesting they weren't talented. They just weren't my thing. Like I said before in the Humble Pie comparison, they were a mediocre band IMO in a sea of great bands. By todays standards they would be a GREAT band.

As far as the whole SoCal thing, I never was a big Jackson Brown fan either. But James Taylor was/is a great songwriter, one of the best ever. He had an uncanny ability to make the complicated sound simple. That's the mark of great writer.

[elgecko]

Has no one outside of SoCal ever had a peaceful, easy feeling?