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Sounds like you are quitting on your kid.
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I really wish my parents had pushed me and forced me to concentrate and put the effort in when I was young and starting.

I could be light years ahead of where I am now if they had.
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Do not push your kids into doing anything. If you do you run the risk of them resenting you and possibly withdrawing from trying anything. When parents push kids into doing anything they usually do so in order to live vicariously through their children. Your son is only ten. Kids need to explore and try different things in order to figure what they are really interested in. My son had tried guitar and bass and finally came to the conclusion that he didn't want to play at all. When he was 16 he developed an interest in drawing and has become very good at it. He is now studying computer programming and hopes to design and do artwork for the entertainment industry including bands and video games. Let your son decide what he wants to do. Your only concerns should be that he is safe, healthy and happy. Everything else is secondary.
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The only thing you teach your children by forcing them to follow through with every single thing they try is to not try anything. When they find what they are interested in, you won't have to push them.
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I'll have to disagree with those who say 10 year olds have a short attention span. My son started guitar (six string) and bass lessons when he was 10 (he i 11 now). I have NO problems with getting him to pick up either of his machines and practice. Some days he'll focous on playing and practice. Other days he "free styles"; but he is putting his hands on his machines; and playing.

So I don't think that age has anything to do with it.
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I'll have to disagree with those who say 10 year olds have a short attention span. My son started guitar (six string) and bass lessons when he was 10 (he i 11 now). I have NO problems with getting him to pick up either of his machines and practice. Some days he'll focous on playing and practice. Other days he "free styles"; but he is putting his hands on his machines; and playing.

So I don't think that age has anything to do with it.
I have to agree with this. Depends on what they like. My son can play Lego's or xbox for 4 hours straight if I let him.
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If he's not practicing on his own, he doesn't really want to play. You can't make a kid want it. Let it go.
OP: I've been in your boat. Oh, how I've been there. You can't sweep water up stairs. You can only try to understand and connect with your son's motivation.

I have one son, now 14, who "tried" drums and guitar a few years ago but didn't stick with it, despite his "promises" to. Yeah, I could have used that money in a lot of other ways. But the instruments are still around in case he ever wants to restart, and I hope he does, because he's got a musical knack.

On the other hand, he plays soccer at the club level and whenever he needs new cleats, he always wants expensive ones. He's old enough that I can insist, "You're out in the yard at least 30 minutes every day working on your foot skills if you want those boots—and if you expect to have a chance to make JV." With soccer, i can push him because it connects to his motivation to improve—it's more of a reminder of what he needs to do to reach his (forgive me) goals.

My other son, 12, plays alto sax in school concert and jazz bands and sometimes at church. Loves the instrument, loves performing, cares about playing well but doesn't really practice until there's a performance coming up to put his feet to the fire. I'm comfortable with that level of commitment in a 12-year-old.

Sometimes he asks about private lessons, but it passes. Next time he does, I'll tell him "no," because he doesn't practice now. Even if he says, "But I will if I have lessons," I'll insist that the practice habit is in place before I unbelt for lessons. I know how this works!

So what's my point? In life, music, sports, work, no one can motivate someone else—one can only motivate oneself. I understand if you're disappointed (I've felt the same way), but as has been said before: he's a boy.

It's the rare 10-year-old boy who will practice any instrument without prodding. It's just the way young boys are. My parents sent me to piano lessons in second grade, then it was clarinet in 4th grade. Yawn—I think I did it because I felt I was supposed to. They never rode me about practicing, and I didn't. I knew I liked music, but it wasn't until 9th grade when I fell in love with an instrument: the bass guitar.

If your son doesn't have the love/desire in him right now, I'm afraid he's only going to take the drums so far. Try to recognize the fine line between encouragement and pushing, and try not to cross it.

And as far as the money is concerned, it absolutely sucks to feel you're throwing it away (ESPECIALLY these days), but sometimes you just have to look at it as a cost of doing the business of parenting. That "sacrifice" thing.

It sounds like your heart's in the right place. Be patient, be loving, be there.

Good luck, man.
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My oldest, almost 18, has come up in a house where I was a gigging musican and was drug to Army Band concerts from infancy till he was 10. He had NO INTEREST in music what so ever. I bought him a guitar and it became a bridge for his Hot Wheels....typical. At 11 he came to me and asked me for a bass and lessons. I did not take him seriously until his third request. He is now getting ready to graduate Highschool having been the String Bass Player in Highschool, drums in marching band and has aced college prep theory. He is going on to get a degree in music and this year was selected as the Bass Player for the US Army All AMerican Marching Band for the All AMerican Bowl in San Antonio in January. He has gone to ALL State on String Bass and has also tought himself sax and plays that in concert band.

My point is at 10....I could not make him interested in music to save my life...so I let it be. Never would have though 8 years later I would have someone who could sub for me on gigs living in my house.

I have another son who is 10, he is intersted in Legos and Mutant Turtles.....I am leaving him along too....but I wont be surprised if he becomes a musician or an architect.

Your son will be fine...let him be your son and you be his dad...don't press him to be anything other than your son and you will both win.
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My son is on his second instrument - the bassoon.
I hope he sticks with it. A friend of mine who owns a company that imports/markets student band instruments tells me that a skilled bassoon player can write his/her own ticket.

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It really depends on the situation. Since only being out of childhood a few years (21 now). I have seen friends who started playing at age 5 and practiced 3 hours a day religiously without any input from their parents.

Whereas i started about 9 i didn't like practicing and my parents kept bugging me over the years. I would see playing at things as practice (as i was playing in groups 6 times a week). Now that i am away from home for a year working (dropping all my music) i am very thankful for them pushing me as much as they did.

Now for some weird reason i seem to have waken up and now practice A LOT. I think i have finally seem the potential that my parents have seen in me.

Being pushed to keep learning piano after grade 6 was pretty annoying but now i am REALLY grateful that i can just sit down and play stuff. It has given me a foundation for me to properly EXPRESS myself.

Oh course the kid has to show some interest. Playing with other people helps a lot especially when you are young, you make new friends.

(Luckily he doesn't play classical instruments lol, because they can get stressful auditioning all the time)
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Some kids thrive with the right amount of push. I have friends that were pushed, and still are, and they're fantastic. I was never pushed, and I'm still playing. It depends on your kid. Let him grow a bit, and see if he's really interested.
As much as it sucked at the time, I am the type that thrived under those circumstances. OTOH, my brother was the type that completely melted down under pressure.

Just an observation of my peers. Almost all people who started before 13-14 aren't playing any more. A good amount of folks who started later are still playing.
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He's 10, dude. Give him a break.
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Just an observation of my peers. Almost all people who started before 13-14 aren't playing any more. A good amount of folks who started later are still playing.
I am the opposite i only know 1 person who has dropped their instrument and that is because he can't afford to buy a tuba right now (hes paying for avionics school).
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Well we went to his lesson last night and he nailed 5 drum beats with his teacher that he hasn't done at home. I think there is some dynamic between he and I that he doesn't like. I spoke to my shrink about this and he told me not to 'coach' him along and that it was a bad idea to learn his beats ahead of him. I am going to institute a reward policy "You can play (x whatever) only after your practice time." Then I will just monitor his progress to make sure he stays on track those minutes.

At this point I will give it the week and see how he does. I hope he continues!
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Despite the chorus above, it's ok to push your kids a little. If he made an agreement, it's time to make him live up to it. Your shrink had some good advice....don't do it for him, but make him spend the time trying.
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I am really disappointed at the content of this thread vs. the title.

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Tell him you are STRONGLY considering sending him away over the disappointment of him not following through with drums, that should change his tune! If that doesn't work tell him he your love for him is dangling by a thread & you're losing your patience! (Totally joking)

Seriously though, those kids that are prodigies due obsession with practice at very early ages are very rare. Let him try some stuff & if doesn't follow through dont be to hard on the kiddo.
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Obviously your son is not interested in playing drums. I think you should let it go.

My mother was very worried about me not taking interest in any activities at a young age. (10 or 11) Anyway she signed me up for a bunch of stuff which I hated. First was an acting class. Which made no sense because I was very antisocial. Second, soccer. Terrible. Third, Golf. Could not get into it. Fourth, Trumpet lessons, which I had to take for 3 years. This made me hate music for a while. Finally at 13 years old I picked up a bass. I also discovered bass guitar on my own. Without it being shoved down my throat. I'm sure if I were forced to play bass, I would have quit after a few weeks…

I'm not saying you shouldn't push him to find something, but if you force it, he'll hate it.
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Both my parents were in bands, and since our house had radios and tape decks (!) in practically every room, it was inevitable that all three of us siblings would end up with some sort of musical skill.

My dad never encouraged us, but there was always music in the house. So, I only really learned to play the bass when I was 16, even with such a musical family.

I think the idea here is that at that age, jsut let them have their fun. The moment there's no fun (or rebellion) in it, then it becomes a chore. But keep the music and the instruments in the house. You never know when they'll pick something up. And even if they don't, it will always be a good thing for them to have grown up in a house where music plays.

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May I please have his drum kit? lol
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Well I cancelled his lessons and am keeping the kit. He is just not motivated. I told him he has infinite resources to learn. At this point I am just glad I didn't blow a bunch of money on a kit, but now it is here for anytime he wants to play.
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