I want to play prog-rock bass....where do I start?

[Fassa Albrecht]

I LOVE anything to do with prog-rock and recent events have really pumped me up to learn a completely new type of music. So I've set my heart on learning how to play and write prog.

Question is....where do I start? What would you count as the essentials of prog and how should I go about writing prog-rock basslines?


Any help?

[bryan bailey]

Play melodies and not roots.

[MirageBass]

Play some Rush. Take it from there.

[Fassa Albrecht]

Originally Posted by MirageBass

Play some Rush. Take it from there.

I'm thinking more of original basslines....

[Barkless Dog]

If you're not already, take bass lessons, as theory is key to prog, due to the odd scales & time signatures.

It also depends on what you mean by prog?

To some its RadioHead & Mew, to others it's Yes & King Crimson, to others its Mastodon.

[SuperDuck]

Theory and a high level of techincal proficiency are pretty key.

[lbanks]

Start practicing scales and modes. All of them. Master those in all keys.That will get you started.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Barkless Dog

If you're not already, take bass lessons, as theory is key to prog, due to the odd scales & time signatures.

I don't believe the original progenitors of "prog rock" knew much music theory at all.

King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Moody Blues... almost none of those guys had a musical education beyond singing in church or taking some private guitar lessons. (I know Rick Wakeman is an exception, studying at the Royal College Of Music).

What they did have was big ears, copious instrumental facility that allowed them to execute whatever ideas they conceived, a willingness to explore different sounds & expose themselves to a wide variety of music, and the conviction to pursue their muse without worrying whether or not it sounded like what everyone else was doing.

[lunarpollen]

Prog rock is such a broad term, and the bass styles vary tremendously across the spectrum. So it would really depend on the type(s) of prog rock you want to play.

[lemur821]

Originally Posted by Fassa Albrecht

I'm thinking more of original basslines....

You can't write a prog rock bassline if you don't know what a prog rock bassline is. Learn a few lines from bands you like, and you'll have a much better perspective on the style.

[Atoz]

If you haven't already, visit the Progressive Rock Archives.

There are a lot of bands and genres represented. Loads of free mp3s too. Might give you some ideas.

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by Fassa Albrecht

Question is....where do I start? What would you count as the essentials of prog ?

Get a really spiffy cape. Maybe John Turner'll sell you one of his.

Failing that, I always start learning a new style by immersing myself in it through listening to everything I can get my hands on. Once you can sing the lines, playing them and eventually making up your own lines is cake.

[TheSuzie]

A couple of more suggestions...

In addition to listening to a lot of prog rock, listen to a lot of classical music. Start transcribing and analyzing the parts that interest you.

Peace,
S

[Fassa Albrecht]

Originally Posted by Passinwind

Get a really spiffy cape. Maybe John Turner'll sell you one of his.

Failing that, I always start learning a new style by immersing myself in it through listening to everything I can get my hands on. Once you can sing the lines, playing them and eventually making up your own lines is cake.

Like this guy?

Originally Posted by TheSuzie

A couple of more suggestions...

In addition to listening to a lot of prog rock, listen to a lot of classical music. Start transcribing and analyzing the parts that interest you.

Peace,
S

My radio/CD player seems stuck on ClassicFM (the UKs biggest classical station).....

[phxlbrmpf]

Let's see, my second band calls itself a prog rock band and here's why we think or songs are prog:

-most of our songs are pretty long
-they have many different parts
-we use a lot of odd meters
-we often use unusual chord progressions and key changes
-we try to mix rock with lots of different musical styles

This pretty much covers it, I guess. We also swore to ourselves not to overdo it so that the results still sound musical (which is always a good idea, in my opinion.)

I can't really explain how I come up with bass lines, though, I simply try to work out something that sounds good, fits the music and isn't all over the place. I only try to add "extra" stuff to it (e. g. high notes, more melodic parts) when I think there's room for it. When I write music/riffs, I try to come up with interesting rhythms, chord changes and not-so-common note choices.

By the way, when we write music, I'm usually the "hey, let's add a key change/chord change here" guy; I don't like it very much when a long song keeps on droning around the same tonality, a well-done key change can really spice a song up, but of course it isn't always needed.

[Oreomeister365]

To me prog is mainly just being creative and open minded...

Learn a lot of 2 octave scales, the modes, altered scales such as Super Locrian etc.. and try not repeating the same riff twice. Just be creative.

[FreaqyFrequency]

From a previous post of yours I think you're already familiar with them, but Muse is a great band in my opinion, even from a strictly Prog Rock perspective. Practice improvising to some of their music, that should keep you busy for a while.