I'm officially not a dream theater fan anymore..

Suckbird · #1 02-18-2007, 05:35 PM

I can remember somebody on this foum keep dissing dream theater(murf i think) and saying stuff like "i used to be a big fan blablaba.." and i wondered how the **** he ended up like that.

I loved every single bit of dream theater, listened to all albums and all songs, listening to dream theater every day thinking they are the gods...

then i was watching one of the dvd's for the 3rd time or something and suddenly i noticed something, som excessive guitar/keyboard wanking that really really bothered me. i didn't even notice it before, but now it was really disturbing..

it didn't take long til i woke up one day and came home from school and thought "so which dream theater song should i listen to", and i couldn't think of one single song i wanted to hear..
i thought that if i took a break for a few weeks then i will be back enjoying their music but no...

i haven't listened to dream theater pretty much at all for 2-3months and i'm now sure that i really dont like dream theater, i think they suck..

BassGod · #2 02-18-2007, 06:18 PM

I agree. This should be a club.

I can't stand that awful LaBrie, nor can I stand Petrucci's sterile and methodic guitar playing.

Give me some Rush! There's some real prog.

Graeme

Bryan316 · #3 02-18-2007, 09:09 PM

No other collection of humans could have come up with Metropolis Pt 1. That alone is accreditation for infamy.

Descent2Cocytus · #4 02-18-2007, 09:37 PM

ytse jam is also very incredible, john myung is one of my favorite bassits, especially since his bass is bigger than he is.

Matt Till · #5 02-18-2007, 11:36 PM

They have made some of the most bland, heartless music I have ever heard. Impressive? Yes. Musical? Yes. Emotionless? Yes.

I get nothing from Dream Theater. I don't like/dislike/love/hate... which is worse than anything. Music/Art that evokes no emotion is worse than Music/Art that envokes hatred.

Trevorus · #6 02-18-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Till

They have made some of the most bland, heartless music I have ever heard. Impressive? Yes. Musical? Yes. Emotionless? Yes.

I get nothing from Dream Theater. I don't like/dislike/love/hate... which is worse than anything. Music/Art that evokes no emotion is worse than Music/Art that envokes hatred.

I can agree there. I have never been a fan of music that is incessant wanking with no feeling or real "movement." I love music that invokes a feeling. It's one reason why I am glad I was not classically trained in music, as in my dealings with some of those people, they lose the feel of music, and it becomes a study in performance, rather than art.

Munjibunga · #7 02-18-2007, 11:48 PM

I stopped listening to them when I heard about that stuff with them and those chickens.

liquid-dream-ex · #8 02-19-2007, 12:42 AM

Congratulations.. no go and buy some Pain of Salvation Albums.

jenderfazz · #9 02-19-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SMASH

If you read the credits, I think Kevin Moore was where it's at for these guys. If he had writing credit it was generally good, and if not then it generally pooped. IMO !

Funny you should mention Kevin Moore... when my old keyboardist first got into Dream Theater, he was a huge Jordan Rudess fan (he's the current keyboardist in DT). Lately, he asked me to lend him Awake and some older DT albums. He's becoming sort of a Kevin Moore worshipper now... Moore has songwriting talent! Rudess is awesome, but (as far as DT is concerned) seems to be about wank a lot of the time.

As for me? Meh, some Dream Theater is absolutely amazing (most of Images and Words, Scenes From a Memory) but a lot of it leaves me indifferent. I'm totally out of the loop when it comes to the Sherinian years, and I never got into the first album either.

I wouldn't call their music heartless, although I can understand where that comment is coming from, and I can agree with it on a lot of levels. Dream Theater does what they do, and they cater to my occasional hunger for prog and cheese.

TeeMartin · #10 02-19-2007, 02:05 AM

Heartless? Pretentious perhaps, but heartless?

johnpaulbass · #11 02-19-2007, 02:05 AM

the DT thing is a "love or hate it thing"

personally I think they're great musicians that deserves my respect...
on the other side... they're attitude on stage and also their (IMO) "look at me how can I play my instrument"' are way beyond my limit.....

also now I'm in a "minimalistic" momen of my life... I switched again to a passive 4 stringer ... play lot less notes.. and so on

so DT definitively aren't on my list

SirCanealot · #12 02-19-2007, 04:10 AM

For every decent song DT do (especially recently), they write a bunch of crap. I mean, look at their latest album. The title track is amazing, the opening track was pretty cool, but the rest of it was junk. INFACT, it had a song SO BAD it made me like their other **** songs (The Answer Lies Within — worst song EVER). I now like I Walk Beside You because of The Answer Lies within.

But they still manage crap out some decent music every now and again. Their albums at least have a couple of decent songs on them.

The the "feeling" thing is weird. Like, their metal is insanely heavy and sounds amazing, but at the same time it's so "clean" and focussed, which seems to be to go against what metal's about a little.

But DT still have some AMAZING songs. Trial of Tears (Budokan version = orgasm) and Lines in the Sand from Falling Into Infinity. Most of Awake and Images and Words. Home from Metropolis. The Glass Prison and Disappear from Six Degrees. In The Name of God from Train of Thought. Octavarium (the song, not the album) is an anazing piece that has clearly had a lot of thought, effort and emotion invested into it.

However, that brings us to their main problem: They don't think about what they're doing. All they seem to do is jam and record what comes out. It's only in a few songs per album you can really tell that they've thought carefully about what they wanted to write.

But, sod it, John Myung in my idol. When you listen to his music enough, the songs where he grooves... he GROOVES. I mean, when both the guitar and the keyboard are going mental on Train of Thought, listen to the bass. Sod the solos, the bass is where the melody is at

Listen to his stuff on New Millenium, Trail of Tears. John Myung, especially these days, doesn't groove often... but when he does, you know it

I have pretty high hopes for their recently annouced new album (Systematic Chaos -_-;

, but I'm pretty sure it'll be ****. But they're still my favoutite... However, Dredg will be catching up to them if Dredg's new album is good

velvetkevorkian · #13 02-19-2007, 05:36 AM

I agree, for every great song they write they have a bunch that are rotten, with no midle ground. Images And Words is the only DT album I can listen to all the way through. Not heard the first one though.

bassist 4 life · #14 02-19-2007, 05:59 AM

Octavarium(song) = Orgasm... check out the bass groove in it at 8:47

Baryonyx · #15 02-19-2007, 08:16 AM

I think they're an amazing band. Okay, so they might not hook you like Rush do, but they still write amazing songs.

And quite frankly, the "Big Medly" song from A Change Of Seasons is stunning, particularly when they've covering the Pink Floyd and Queen songs (and I HATE Pink Floyd!).

I think they're a collection of immensely talented musicians who only rarely fail to come up with more than the sum of their parts. If you can't appreciate them, thats a shame for you.

Bryan316 · #16 02-19-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Till

They have made some of the most bland, heartless music I have ever heard. Impressive? Yes. Musical? Yes. Emotionless? Yes.

I get nothing from Dream Theater. I don't like/dislike/love/hate... which is worse than anything. Music/Art that evokes no emotion is worse than Music/Art that envokes hatred.

Never listened to Voices, have you?

jimb213 · #17 02-19-2007, 09:45 PM

DT was my favorite band for close to a decade. I pretty much like everything from the 1st album through Scenes from a Memory (although I prefer the live versions of songs from the 1st album w/ labrie singing). But Jordan Rudess killed the band in my eyes. He took their wanktastic playing to a whole new level of wank. I haven't liked a thing they've done since SfaM, and there's lots of keyboard stuff on that album I can't stand.

steve21 · #18 02-19-2007, 10:03 PM

I'm sure the band is mourning these losses. Perhaps this sadness at the loss of... 15 fans will make them finally write a completely emotional song about their sadness?

Or not.

Lame.

Listen to them or don't, who cares?

ALiP BoB · #19 02-19-2007, 10:09 PM

The bass just goes CLICK CLICK CLICK...

lilterier · #20 05-25-2007, 10:03 AM

I agree, dream theater is really really terrible music.