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06-30-2004, 08:34 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edinboro, PA | | | IMO: Rick Ruben is not a good producer
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He is, but he isn't. 
OK, his production style is very smooth and stylistic, he makes everything sound very clean...
I don't like that.
Their have been so many bands that he took the edge completely out of their sound. Red Hot Chili Peppers, System of A Down (I still like their first album), Audioslave (Rage's tone was much better ala Evil Empire and s/t).
For non agressive bands, Ruben's style would be fantastic, everything sounds great. But it has no edge.
Meh.
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06-30-2004, 08:38 AM
| | Vorsprung durch Technik | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cologne, Germany | | | Slayer's South Of Heaven was THE heaviest **** back in the day...
On what other records do you base your O?
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06-30-2004, 08:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edinboro, PA | | I honestly think Slayer's work with Rick Ruben sounds too polished. 
Call me crazy, but I want my metal (especially) to be a little clunky. I mean, the music is definatly agressive, but it's like it's been wrapped in plastic to prevent the music from offending anyone.
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06-30-2004, 08:58 AM
|  | Mayday! Moderator | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Jackson, MS | | | What about Jay Z's new song, that sounds pretty aggresive for a rap song. |
06-30-2004, 09:02 AM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The land of chicken fried funk | | | Pretty much agree.
Career stiffed but signed to a contract???...........bring in Rubin. He'll make you sound like homogenized milk....."Oh. Beastie Boys are stiffing ??? Let's bring in Kerry King and morph them into Run DMC Jr!!!"
He's an integral part of what Pink Floyd was talking about in "Have a Cigar" and "Welcome to the Machine."
Can you imagine how emasculated Hendrix would have sounded if Rubin had his mitts on him ???
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06-30-2004, 09:21 AM
|  | - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Moderator | | | | | Ok, fair enough, but he's better than Bob Rock.
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06-30-2004, 10:07 AM
| | | | Add David Foster to the list.
Bands that once had an edge & later became 'homogenized' by Foster.
Chicago
Earth, Wind, & Fire
Average White Band
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06-30-2004, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Blisshead Ok, fair enough, but he's better than Bob Rock. | That's like picking the lesser of two evils. |
06-30-2004, 10:21 AM
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06-30-2004, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Joey3313 That's like picking the lesser of two evils. | True, but I think Bob "I can't rock to save my life" dulls the blade far more than Rubin ever could.
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06-30-2004, 10:28 AM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 3rd stone from the sun | | | I love Rick Rubin's work and disagree. If I had the cash and weight as a musician I'd hire him tomorrow. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Blood Sugar Sex Magic's engineering/production absolutely floors me to this day.
I've always liked Eddie Kramer's work too.
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06-30-2004, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by baba Blood Sugar Sex Magic's engineering/production absolutely floors me to this day. |
Don't get me wrong, his production is very... "Good"... but BSSM has 0 edge.
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06-30-2004, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoke'n'Mirrors *Try's to think of something bad to say about famous producer Mutt Lang...* Nothing, Back in Black was a great album. | He stole my girlfriend!
oh, must have been daydreaming again... |
06-30-2004, 11:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WA/CA | | | I think I understand what Matt is saying. I too have a love/hate relationship with Rick, mostly stemming from RHCP. Dig all the Slayer and System he did though. Why do ya gotta make me hate you?
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06-30-2004, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoke'n'Mirrors *Try's to think of something bad to say about famous producer Mutt Lang...* Nothing, Back in Black was a great album. |
THAT is what I call rock production.
Baofu, have you ever heard SOAD's first album? It sounds brilliant, crisp production that is at the same time heavy as hell... then Rick Ruben and SOAD took a collective dump and out came Toxicity.
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06-30-2004, 11:46 AM
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06-30-2004, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dep1974 He stole my girlfriend!
oh, must have been daydreaming again... | ...like Sha-Nay-Nay has even heard of Reston, Va.
C'mon. 
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06-30-2004, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dep1974 He stole my girlfriend!
oh, must have been daydreaming again... | So you're the punk that took her from me!!!
Ack. Just woke up from the same dream. 
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06-30-2004, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JimK ... Sha-Nay-Nay | Wasn't "she" a character on Martin Lawrence's show?
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06-30-2004, 12:46 PM
|  | put a bird on it | | Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Minnesota | | | I don't know if i agree or disagree, but just for reference, what would you catagorize as edgy? give me a song for an example of a song that was produced with "edge"
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