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Old 05-24-2009, 05:28 PM
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Evening all,

A few days ago I was watching a band doing a show in the neighbourhood. They were a coverband. I myself am not really a big fan of coverbands, because I'd rather hear something new, or the original artists perform their own pieces. That being said, I had a great night, thanks to the band (and one lovely lady, but that's a different story). You see, they had the most awesome stage show ever, for a local coverband that is. The singer was hanging from the rafters, stagediving, the works. All the bandmembers were looking like they had the time of their lives and everyone was dancing. They even got me dancing, and that's saying something.

They weren't, however, very good instrumentalists. The singer had a voice that was nothing special (kinda generic), the guitarist fumbled more than I would deem acceptable and the bassist was eq'd very badly, to the point that his sound was a barely intelligible throb. The drummer was the one who kept this outfit together.

Despite these problems, they got everyone dancing and merry and whatnot. This got me thinking... these people are not very original. They're not very good at their instrument either. But they entertain marvelously. Could these be three seperate things altogether? And if so, what other characteristics would an allround musician have?

So. I propose three different aspects of being a musician:

- The Instrumentalist;
This would of course be measured by your proficiency on instruments. Your craftmanship, if you will. Can you play different instruments? Is your technique faulty at best, or is it flawless? Do you know more than one way to play it? (Slapping versus tapping versus picking versus fingering etc).
I would also contend that your command of music theory would fall into this category, as theory is also a tool to create your vision.

The session musician for instance, would fall into this category, being a person with as good as flawless technique and a thorough grasp of music theory. In his role as session musician however, he would not write any music himself and (with exceptions of course) just play what he is asked to play. Likewise, as his venue is the studio, the entertainmentfactor would not come into play.

- The Artist;
This is the visionary, the man with the plan, churning out conceptalbums and writing profound music and lyrics. This category is where the creative minds are. The people who have something to say. the people who have a vision and have chosen music as their way of conveying what's in their head to the world. Also, it is not a domain for musicians exclusively, as of course people like Da Vinci, Rembrandt and van Gogh would fall into this category.

This aspect is measured by the artisticness ('s that a word?) of your work. Some people would fall without question in this category, Bob Dylan comes to mind. However, I would also count people like the Sex Pistols as great artists. Lord knows they aren't great instrumentalists (Neither is Dylan btw), but what they did was revolutionary and they changed music forever with it.

- The Entertainer;
This would speak for itself I would think. The coverband I started this post with would fall into this category. People who entertain greatly, who know how to make people feel good, be it through music, through dance, or through stand up comedy. This would also be applicable to, for instance, circusartists.

Also, of course, Spinal Tap would fall into this category. Reasonable instrumentalists and artists, but very funny. I'm sure you can think of other examples.



These three categories would not be mutually exclusive. Think of them more as three aspects of musicianship, all of which would be present in every musician, to a degree.

Now, these are my own three categories. You may disagree with this classification and by all means, criticize it, add to it, or change it. But what I was wondering, is what you think yourself more of as? An instrumentalist, an artist or an entertainer?

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Old 05-24-2009, 05:47 PM
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Hm, interesting post. I really agree with the artist section, you dont need to be a great instrumentalist, as long as you write good music people will like you.
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:05 PM
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Need to be stickied in band management or bassist. IMO
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Old 05-27-2009, 05:29 AM
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Hmmm. It's quiet here. *Too* quiet. You may be right, maybe I should've posted it in the bassist forum. I the mods would be so kind as to move it? With my apologies.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:04 PM
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I'd say, 70% artist, 25% entertainer, and 5% instrumentalist.


Instrumentalist: I can slap, pick, and play with my fingers on bass, although I use pick exclusively in my band. I can play drums, but not all that well, and I can play guitar, even crappier. ha Perfect player though? Not even close.

Entertainer: I don't really consider myself an entertainer... When my band is writing music, we're writing it for ourselves first. Not writing to make people dance, or do anything. We put thought into the type of show we want people to experience, but I place these ideas in the artistic category...

Artist: We put a lot of thought into our live show, but it's never about "oh man, the crowd will love this". It's about the show that we want the crowd to experience, whether they like it or not. We play extremely loud, we have all the lights in the venue turned off and only have about ten lights on the floor around us.. We fill the venues we play with fog so dense you can only see silhouettes of people in the room. Once we start our set, we don't stop till the last song is over. Between songs will be super slow droning chord progressions, or feedback. If we have time at the show, this could mean up to 50-55 minutes of having your senses torn apart by high volume drums and bass, while barely being able to see the face of the person next to you.



Some people have found it uncomfortable, and left, some share my personal opinion of it all, that it's relaxing and meditative, and will zone out during our entire set. Others are content getting drunk and banging their heads. We're fine with all three.

It's all about creating a certain atmosphere at our shows, trying to make it more of an experience, rather than just seeing some band play their songs. I guess these ideas fall between entertainer and artist, but I'd go with artist, because if people in the crowd didn't like it, and left, we wouldn't go and change it. There's always people into it, and people who aren't.
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:09 PM
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We put a lot of thought into our live show, but it's never about "oh man, the crowd will love this". It's about the show that we want the crowd to experience, whether they like it or not. We play extremely loud, we have all the lights in the venue turned off and only have about ten lights on the floor around us.. We fill the venues we play with fog so dense you can only see silhouettes of people in the room. Once we start our set, we don't stop till the last song is over. Between songs will be super slow droning chord progressions, or feedback. If we have time at the show, this could mean up to 50-55 minutes of having your senses torn apart by high volume drums and bass, while barely being able to see the face of the person next to you.



It's all about creating a certain atmosphere at our shows, trying to make it more of an experience, rather than just seeing some band play their songs.
That is really cool. I'd enjoy that, though I can see where the people are coming from who say they don't. I guess they wanted a fun evening out with friends, not in their own space being taken to places through your music and atmosphere.

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Old 05-29-2009, 12:34 PM
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I like the analogy/story, and am okay with your classifications. I would tweak it just a bit. Instrumentalist is a nice generic term. I teach part time, and one of the regular conversations I have with students is, do you want to be just a player, or a musician? Musicians read, write and speak the language of music, while guitar or bass players do not need to do that. It is one thing to know your instrument, but imo, being a musician is a bit more. Lots of great players/entertianers who don't know much about music, and do quite well.

So for me, musician is by far the largest percentage, followed closely by entertainer. I am paid to entertain and maybe help the venue with what they are selling. Artistry? I really don't think about it much. I am content playing original material or covers, whatever the job requires.

We can point to lots of examples of bands being better entertainers than musicians. They understand what customers want, and provide it in a way that makes them finacially sucessful. I sincerely doubt if Twisted Sister (1st to come to mind) cared if most serious musos scoffed at their less than stellar ability when they were selling tons of records.
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Old 05-29-2009, 06:30 PM
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I had an argument with a moron about this last year.

He was of the belief that all musicians were "entertainers."

I explained that there were also "artists," and they were different in all ways from entertainers.

I hate "entertainers," which I identify dismissively as "eyes and teeth acts" -- coming from the showbiz axiom that you should always smile and make big eyes for the audience to create a sort of contagious happy-happy mood. "EYES AND TEETH, PEOPLE! LET'S SEE THOSE EYES AND TEETH!"

On the other hand, there are artists. I don't think Bob Dylan's smiled three times onstage in his life.

Watch your favorite acts and see where they fall.
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