jeff beck on american idol

[davetakis]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nO5Eald_Gv4

end of the world. yep. proof right here. nice knowing everyone.

[kobass]

Originally Posted by davetakis

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nO5Eald_Gv4

end of the world. yep. proof right here. nice knowing everyone.

+1! Surely, we are living in The End Times.

[Busker]

End of the world why? Because he would stoop so low, or be at a place in his career where this is the best gig he could get?

I don't think so. Jeff is still Jeff. He can probably still tear it up with the best of them.

While his playing on that song was so laid back as to be almost unnoticeable, I was glad to get the chance to see him at least. But he should have got a solo in the middle of the song. I mean, it's Jeff Beck. Not Hermie Schleppenheimer.

[markjazzbassist]

Originally Posted by Busker

End of the world why? Because he would stoop so low, or be at a place in his career where this is the best gig he could get?

I don't think so. Jeff is still Jeff. He can probably still tear it up with the best of them.

While his playing on that song was so laid back as to be almost unnoticeable, I was glad to get the chance to see him at least. But he should have got a solo in the middle of the song. I mean, it's Jeff Beck. Not Hermie Schleppenheimer.

+1

finally he's getting the recognition he deserves.

[ric1312]

When a REAL star backs up a fabricated one, Yup it's the end of the world.

Sure kelly is great singer, but she doesn't write her owns songs and never would have even had a chance if it wasn't for american idol.

[Brad Maestas]

Yeah, I thought she looked very different, too. Jeff was great. Did you see him squeak out that last note? Hahaha.
Let me tell you, there's nothing I like more than a singer camping out on the 'blue' notes. Is that supposed to make you sound soulful or something? When she hangs on the flat-7th (or b3) and it's obviously a non-dominant major chord it's just horrible. Singers (and musicians) do this all time without even realizing it.

Another thing, what is it with all these white girls trying to sound black? And it's not just on TV but on the radio and everywhere else, too. It's the inflections, the scoops, the pronunciation, the look, everything! Drives me nuts. Just be yourself! It's like a global karaoke contest. Wait, that's right. American Idol is a global karaoke contest. Lame.

[Pacman]

Originally Posted by ric1312

When a REAL star backs up a fabricated one, Yup it's the end of the world.

Sure kelly is great singer, but she doesn't write her owns songs and never would have even had a chance if it wasn't for american idol.

Kelly wrote 6 of the tunes on her last CD, and 4 on her first one.

You could write a list a mile long of starts that didn't write their own music - start with Sinatra and work your way forward. Girl can sing, plain and simple.

[davetakis]

Originally Posted by markjazzbassist

+1

finally he's getting the recognition he deserves.

ummmmmmmmm maybe not. i doubt the majority of the people who watch american idol know who jeff beck is. i just think that american idol is a crappy show with crappy people singing crappy songs.
jeff beck will always be a guitar god and a legend to musicians [those who like him] and in 5 years no one will care about kelly clarkson or american idon. disposable pop crap.
this is how i feel and i dont believe you can argue art. my opinion is my opinion and your opinion is yours. no right or wrong answer here.

[905]

"Clouds" from 00:42~00:46 sounds awful.
I don't understand why so many (female) singers think that crap sounds good.

It'd be alright if she hadn't done that vibrato (or w/e it's called in singing) stuff. It kills me.

[ric1312]

Originally Posted by Pacman

Kelly wrote 6 of the tunes on her last CD, and 4 on her first one.

You could write a list a mile long of starts that didn't write their own music - start with Sinatra and work your way forward. Girl can sing, plain and simple.

Well I stand corrected, doubt it was much beyond lyrics though.

And I know she still had a lot of help. I still think of her as a fabricated star. I just don't have much respect for stars that get made through shows like idol instead of having to go the usual route of doing all the music yourself, spending money on a studio or equipment to record it and then trying to find someone to listen to it and then hope.

[ric1312]

Originally Posted by VintageBT6Lover

Yeah, I thought she looked very different, too. Jeff was great. Did you see him squeak out that last note? Hahaha.
Let me tell you, there's nothing I like more than a singer camping out on the 'blue' notes. Is that supposed to make you sound soulful or something? When she hangs on the flat-7th (or b3) and it's obviously a non-dominant major chord it's just horrible. Singers (and musicians) do this all time without even realizing it.

Another thing, what is it with all these white girls trying to sound black? And it's not just on TV but on the radio and everywhere else, too. It's the inflections, the scoops, the pronunciation, the look, everything! Drives me nuts. Just be yourself! It's like a global karaoke contest. Wait, that's right. American Idol is a global karaoke contest. Lame.

In most of their minds, as singers, you don't sound good if you don't sound black. Most of those singers are karaoke singers anyway and not original artists who work on their own sound.

I don't think a good singer with an original style would make it through to the finals. They wouldn't be able to sing most of the covers convincingly.

I know what you mean though if hear one more female singer, sing a run with a 50 notes it it I think I'll kick my TV in.

[Benjamin Strange]

I actually thought it was quite good. This is the first time I have heard Kelly Clarkson, and I think based on this performance she's pretty good.

Jeff Beck is awesome, period. So what if he decided to play on American Idol for the benefit of charity?

[tycobb73]

When companies relaease artists they usually have a few groups of prospective buyers come in and listen to the cd before its released to see how it will be recieved. What AI does is take that audience and increase it 10s of millions. It takes market research, which is usually a cost, and turns it into a profit center. Pretty smart if you ask me.

So what if her songs are simple and she doesn't write all of them? Some of them are good songs. You guys need to open your minds and not be stuck in your elitist attitudes. There's tons of great music out there in every genre.

[Chunk-O-Funk]

Ehh, I'm not surprised. It's a paying gig, why not? They should have at least gave him a solo though.

[Benjamin Strange]

Originally Posted by Chunk-O-Funk

Ehh, I'm not surprised. It's a paying gig, why not? They should have at least gave him a solo though.

It was a charity gig.

[Chunk-O-Funk]

Originally Posted by Benjamin Strange

It was a charity gig.

Yeah, I noticed that. Doesn't mean he donated his time.

Maybe he did? The bigger point is he could have stayed home, played a local gig or played on a huge national TV program. I think he took the better gig.

I'm positive there was a time where he would have passed on a gig like that, but now-a-days for him, "a gigs a gig". No disrespect intended.

[Lazylion]

Originally Posted by Pacman

Girl can sing, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Benjamin Strange

Jeff Beck is awesome, period. So what if he decided to play on American Idol for the benefit of charity?

Originally Posted by Chunk-O-Funk

They should have at least gave him a solo though.

+1 I think she's a hottie.
Good to see Jeff Beck getting global exposure.

[ric1312]

Originally Posted by tycobb73

When companies relaease artists they usually have a few groups of prospective buyers come in and listen to the cd before its released to see how it will be recieved. What AI does is take that audience and increase it 10s of millions. It takes market research, which is usually a cost, and turns it into a profit center. Pretty smart if you ask me.

So what if her songs are simple and she doesn't write all of them? Some of them are good songs. You guys need to open your minds and not be stuck in your elitist attitudes. There's tons of great music out there in every genre.

If by elitist you mean I have more respect for artists that: wrote their own music, shopped it, dragged ass playing nothing shows for promotion, and busted their ass just to get a label to hear them, all before being big, then I will keepmy elitist attitude.

Yes, she has a nice voice, so what. I know a lot of karaoke singers with nice voices, that if someone plopped a development deal in their laps they would sound just as good.

And simply writing the lyrics to a song is not the same as writing the whole song.

[ric1312]

Originally Posted by tycobb73

When companies relaease artists they usually have a few groups of prospective buyers come in and listen to the cd before its released to see how it will be recieved. What AI does is take that audience and increase it 10s of millions. It takes market research, which is usually a cost, and turns it into a profit center. Pretty smart if you ask me.

So what if her songs are simple and she doesn't write all of them? Some of them are good songs. You guys need to open your minds and not be stuck in your elitist attitudes. There's tons of great music out there in every genre.

Actuall the first part of your post is way off. AI is simply a popularity contest, who gets to the finals isn't really about what the audience thinks will sell or will even buy.

Rubin studdard won, I don't see him selling huge. And cmon the guy with the grey hair that spasd all the time? Do you know anyone who wants to admit to buying his CD?

[tycobb73]

No one's going to be perfect, as focus groups often are not. But Clarkson and Underwood have done pretty goood.

Where I see the disconnect is that I'll watch AI every week but never vote for anyone. Also, most of the voting is done by kids multiple times. Once the CD is released, they aren't going to buy multiple CDs or have the money to go to multiple shows.

Still, AI did take the cost of a focus group, expand it to include everyone with a TV who wants to watch, and turn an expense into a profit center. The fact that it is a popularity contest is a byproduct.