Latest Rock Hall Inductees

[dangnewt]

Two questions -

1. Your thoughts on the five chosen vs four not chosen from the list of nominees?

2. Who are your top 5; should be in but are not?
This is a pretty good list of performers that are eligible but not made it - some never even nominated.
http://www.futurerockhall.com/previously_considered.php

From nine nominees in the Performers category, these five were selected
Madonna
John Mellencamp
The Ventures
The Dave Clark Five (edited from Dick Clark Five, thx seventhson)
Leonard Cohen

These four did not
Afrika Bambaataa
Beastie Boys
Chic
Donna Summer

I am OK with the top 4 names but wasn't familiar enough with Leonard Cohen to say whether one of the other four were more deserving.

My five overlooked in no particular order would be

KISS - Fan-friendly Rock and Roll; marketing genius; A smilie in honor of Gene Simmons
ABBA - Otherworldly pop from somewhere other than the UK or USA.
Lou Reed - Pretty influential, no?
Rush - you can never have enough bassist-fronted bands
Metallica - Metal is rock and Metallica is very metal

[bradjonesbass]

abba is not rock-n-roll and the BeeGees should be voted back out. Cohen is the most deserving of the 5 IMHO.

[bradjonesbass]

Also, the Meters and Dr. John should be in.

[fenderhutz]

When I think rock, I think Madonna all of the way.

[Joey3313]

Originally Posted by dangnewt

KISS - Fan-friendly Rock and Roll; marketing genius; A smilie in honor of Gene Simmons

"Businessman Hall of Fame"? Sure. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'd hope not.

[seventhson]

I believe it's the Dave Clark Five? Those are really weak choices IMO compared to the of inductees in the 1st set of years. When's the last time anyone heard anyone cue up a Dave Clark Five song?

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by seventhson

I believe it's the Dave Clark Five? Those are really weak choices IMO compared to the of inductees in the 1st set of years. When's the last time anyone heard anyone cue up a Dave Clark Five song?

You are right - it is Dave Clark not Dick Clark (he was inducted in 1993 as a non-performer). Must be too close to New Years Eve for me.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by bradjonesbass

abba is not rock-n-roll and the BeeGees should be voted back out. Cohen is the most deserving of the 5 IMHO.

ABBA - there are plenty of "not rock-n-roll" artists in the Hall; however, that is probably why they are not in. They were nominated in 2003 which had a pretty stacked ballot (AC/DC, Police, Clash, Elvis Costello) and six performers who didn't make it on that ballot have subsequently been voted in (including Patti Smith, Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, Lynyrd Skynyrd).

BeeGees - I think they are safe but I've wondered that myself. However, you gotta admire how they came up big in a couple different eras.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by bradjonesbass

Also, the Meters and Dr. John should be in.

The Meters have at least been nominated (1997). Dr. John hasn't made the ballot yet.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by fenderhutz

When I think rock, I think Madonna all of the way.

And she made it in her first year of eligibility like Cal Ripkin and Tony Gwynn.

Not my first thought either but I'm a big hall guy so I don't mind some space for the pop dance funk acts.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by Joey3313

"Businessman Hall of Fame"? Sure. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'd hope not.

LOL - I could see Gene up there with Ray Kroc and Sam Walton.


That idea could also work for a separate wing of the Hall - performers whose business sense was as good (or better) than their music.

I would put two current inductees in there for a start (which is not a knock on their music as I am a fan of both, but praise for their business acumen)
The Rolling Stones
The Grateful Dead

[Thor]

Originally Posted by seventhson

I believe it's the Dave Clark Five? Those are really weak choices IMO compared to the of inductees in the 1st set of years. When's the last time anyone heard anyone cue up a Dave Clark Five song?

Depends on what station you listen to. And how old you are.

They were very commercially successful. In the mid 60's.
British Invasion. Mersey Beat. Rave ups.

Their recording of 'Because' probably has the slickest use
of augmented chords and progression of any rock ballad I
have ever heard.

Its the HOF. Bands from 40+ years ago are appropriate as well.

No, Lou Reed isn't there as a solo performer. He is there as
part of Velvet Underground.

One or two glaring omissions to me are John Mayall and the
Bluesbreakers and the Alexis Korner Band. Just about everybody that ever played with those guys is in the HOF
today.

[markjazzbassist]

What Chic didn't make It?? That pisses me off, I love Chic and IMO they WERE DISCO. SInce the Rock hall is now the "Pop Hall" Chic should definately be in it.

[StanFan]

I think Genesis should be in there. They are a highly influencial progressive rock band and they also managed to sell quite a few albums and have a couple hit singles after the seventies. Not to mention that they had two legendary vocalists in Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins.

[seventhson]

Originally Posted by Thor

Depends on what station you listen to. And how old you are.

They were very commercially successful. In the mid 60's.
British Invasion. Mersey Beat. Rave ups.

Their recording of 'Because' probably has the slickest use
of augmented chords and progression of any rock ballad I
have ever heard.

I totally dig "Glad All Over", but I see them as more representative of their era...riding the wave created by others...rather than influential. And while I dig their songs, I only hear them in a nostalgic context. Whereas there are plenty of other songs that are older (e.g., from HOF bands) that can be cued up today and you don't think you're at a "relive the sixties" event.

That's just my very limited opinion of course. I'll cue up some Dave Clark Five on Rhapsody today in their honor and I might have a change of heart.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by Thor

.....
No, Lou Reed isn't there as a solo performer. He is there as
part of Velvet Underground.

I didn't realize that. Well as long as he is in with the group, I'm good with that.

[Valerus]

I vote Deep Purple and Iron Maiden, but that's just me.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by markjazzbassist

What Chic didn't make It?? That pisses me off, I love Chic and IMO they WERE DISCO. SInce the Rock hall is now the "Pop Hall" Chic should definately be in it.

At least they were on the ballot - this was their fourth time.

You might get a kick out of this "Keltner" analysis of Chic, it is a musical variation of the questions that famed baseball analyst Bill James uses when thinking about the baseball HoF.

http://throwingthings.blogspot.com/2...09214446541814

With the BeeGees and Madonna now enshrined it maybe next year will be the year for Chic and perhaps Donna Summer.

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by StanFan

I think Genesis should be in there. They are a highly influencial progressive rock band and they also managed to sell quite a few albums and have a couple hit singles after the seventies. Not to mention that they had two legendary vocalists in Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins.

Maybe I'll put Genesis in there as my fifth since Lou Reed is in with Velvet Revolver.

The nominating committee has never liked progressive rock nor the big 80's AOR bands. Genesis has been eligible for since 1993 but never nominated. Maybe they are waiting to put them in individually?

[dangnewt]

Originally Posted by Valerus

I vote Deep Purple and Iron Maiden, but that's just me.

Metal is another Hall blindspot and those two are probably the biggest Metal oversights. What is worse is that neither have even been nominated.