Metal/Grindcore/Hardcore bass?

arjune · #1 12-03-2006, 01:22 PM

I haven't heard any of those genres with a great bass player in a long time. Anyone have any recommendations?

ALiP BoB · #2 12-03-2006, 01:27 PM

You can't hear much bass from all the loud distorted guitars anyways... And this is coming from a HUGE fan of Metalcore. I still play bass thou. I hope to change that fact.

**BullHorn** · #3 12-03-2006, 02:58 PM

Cryptopsy.

Death/Grind with slapping and popping basslines.

Also, awesome bands with decent basslines:

Death, Sadus (amazing, although a bit thrashy), Atheist (amazing), Cannibal Corpse (although very hard to hear the bass :P) and I might post some more bands later. Good night. :x

P.S. and Metalcore is more 'core' than METAL so gtfo!

i_got_a_mohawk · #4 12-03-2006, 03:03 PM

Ive always been a huge fan of Craig "Ahead" Setari (Sick of it All), i think he really leads the band musically, it isnt anything complicated, but it fits the music well and i love the overdriven sound he gets

+ They are all really sound guys and great live!

Stanley Design · #5 12-03-2006, 03:04 PM

Basically gotta go to shows and watch. Isn't very easy to hear it on recordings.

Baryonyx · #6 12-03-2006, 03:48 PM

Shane Embury wrote the book on grindcore bass playing. A Warwick Streamer Stage II (though in the old days he used a precision bass), a pick and a heap of distortion and he was good to go.

ESPplayer · #7 12-03-2006, 07:38 PM

+1 to Chris2112

Paul Romanko of Shadows Fall has some cool runs and riffs you can actually hear! Check out the War Within Cd and see what im talking about.Same with Paualo? Gregoletto of Trivium,he is in my opinion the new cliff burton,check out The Crusade cd.

D Von · #8 12-03-2006, 08:01 PM

Yea Pablo is awesome now, I used to think he sucked but that was when he only used picks. That dude can play Pull Harder with his fingers, that's crazy. The Crusade is an incredible cd, every song is really good. My personal favorite is Becoming the Dragon

Kenbuntu · #9 01-18-2007, 04:20 PM

whoa hold the phone since when was it pablo? Paulo. yep, Paulo is a good bass player. their instrumental song (crusade) is good. The "jazz" ( i dono :P) solo he does in the middle i think ( when it goes all soft :P) is really nice i want to learn it but im pretty sure he used a 5 string for that.

the guy from FATA uses a schecter.

velvetkevorkian · #10 01-19-2007, 01:16 PM

Control Denied- Chuck Schuldiner's post-Death group with some great Steve DiGiorgio playing.

chaosMK · #11 01-19-2007, 01:22 PM

I dont usually worry about how good the bass player is in those genres (as long as they keep up), more like the overall feel and what the band does rhythmically. Sometimes it's too guitar saturated for the bass to have any room.

However, some bassists have awesome tone that I can readily appreciate, especially if you have a sound system with a nice sub. Meshuggah, Children of Bodom, come to mind right away. John Campell (Lamb of God) is a sick bass player but his tone has no bite to it, as far as I am concerned.

Necrophagist, Behold the Arctopus too.

lemur821 · #12 01-19-2007, 02:04 PM

See Sikth for some awesome bass. Generally no sub required either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5uZlBl7PAg

Matt Till · #13 01-19-2007, 04:32 PM

Weeeeeeeellll this is simple, people act like metal is so different from other music as far as "the mix" goes, but in reality, you just need to put yourself where your guitarists are not... tone wise.

Got a guitarist with scooped mids? Give it some midrange. Thrashy tone, ultra bassy is the way to go. It's strange, in my band, I always assumed mids cranked was the way to go, but that was just muddying the mix. I cranked the bass, mids up a little, left the highs alone, now I'm very VERY audible, and my band sounds even heavier.

A lot of metal bassists don't take into account WE make metal heavy... if we do it right. The thundering lows come from us. Most of the time when you can't hear the bass, it's because the bassist is following the guitar note for note. People say Alex Webster (Cannibal Corpse) is hard to hear, but as soon as he stops doubling the guitars and does his own thang.... completely audible. In the same respect when you hear a guitarist with great tone, he usually has a great bassist by his side providing the lows.

velvetkevorkian · #14 01-19-2007, 08:20 PM

I agree entirely with the last two posts.

MaskedJackal · #15 01-19-2007, 11:45 PM

Good hardcore bass playing? Well, it's more oldschool buttt look no further than Husker Du's Greg Norton. He does fun little melodies here and there, really rounds out the sound well.

Oh, and he had an awesome handlebar mustache.

ALiP BoB · #16 01-20-2007, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPplayer

Paolo Gregoletto of Trivium,he is in my opinion the new cliff burton

Never EVER say that. EVER.

scorpionldr · #17 01-20-2007, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Till

Weeeeeeeellll this is simple, people act like metal is so different from other music as far as "the mix" goes, but in reality, you just need to put yourself where your guitarists are not... tone wise.

Got a guitarist with scooped mids? Give it some midrange. Thrashy tone, ultra bassy is the way to go. It's strange, in my band, I always assumed mids cranked was the way to go, but that was just muddying the mix. I cranked the bass, mids up a little, left the highs alone, now I'm very VERY audible, and my band sounds even heavier.

A lot of metal bassists don't take into account WE make metal heavy... if we do it right. The thundering lows come from us. Most of the time when you can't hear the bass, it's because the bassist is following the guitar note for note. People say Alex Webster (Cannibal Corpse) is hard to hear, but as soon as he stops doubling the guitars and does his own thang.... completely audible. In the same respect when you hear a guitarist with great tone, he usually has a great bassist by his side providing the lows.

i think the problem is just people are lame on the whole down-tuning thing, and that goes ESPECIALLY for guitarists. I play "lead bass" (lead ass is more like it) because we couldn't find a guitarist with much chops to speak of, so naturally thrashing and rhythm and harmony all go to me working with my drummer....I used to play in drop D with a heavy Boss odb-3 overdrive, and i think I honestly returned to E because I want to hear more of my notes, and probably even see about doing some sort of tenor tuning to begin covering a guitar range. I think I'd like to see something like two tenor basses playing grind almost more than just a giant downtuned guitar and bass setup one day because grind's probably advancing more than other genres (working it's way through metal groups; there are more bands using blasts for one. it's becoming incorporated into a lot of hardcore punk too). i think Napalm Death is the best choice as far as bass driven grindcore as Shane Embury is awesome enough to write the most of "the code is red" (love that album), but generally these days I'm listening to grind because the guitar parts are just more interesting when they're doing hardcore ****