Metalcore????

TheVoiceless · #1 06-23-2010, 09:21 AM

Ok so I wanted to see what TB thought about this genre of metal. I see a lot of people saying how much they dislike this style and I also see bands in the style intentionally trying to remove themselves from this label.

So what do you think? Is metalcore out like hair metal in the early 90's? Or is their still people into this genre like 5 years ago?

Burlington · #2 06-23-2010, 09:23 AM

I think it's bigger than ever now. I prefer deathmetal myself.

macaroni tony · #3 06-23-2010, 01:23 PM

can you name some metalcore bands I probably know of? I just want to know what it means

PSPookie · #4 06-23-2010, 01:26 PM

I play Jamcore and ClassicRockcore.

**baba** · #5 06-23-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by macaroni tony

can you name some metalcore bands I probably know of? I just want to know what it means

Yes, please. What is metalcore?

**baba** · #6 06-23-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PSPookie

I play Jamcore and ClassicRockcore.

Is there a reggaecore or polkacore? Come to think of it, I saw a pirate polka group in San Francisco. If anyone is polkacore, it would be them.

Burlington · #7 06-23-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by macaroni tony

can you name some metalcore bands I probably know of? I just want to know what it means

Bleeding Through, As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage.

The Last Rebel · #8 06-23-2010, 01:47 PM

Good lord, I wish it would die. No, instead it's getting bigger, not to mention aborting more horrible subgenres every day with deathcore and crunkcore bieng the worst.

For those who don't know, metalcore is used today as a huge umbrella term for all sorts of bands that sound nothing alike. For example, Converge and Killswitch Engage are both metalcore. Good metalcore these days is few and far between, but what it is is extreme metal (thrash, death, grind) crossed with hardcore punk (DRI, Black Flag, etc). However, once Killswitch Engage came on the scene, they changed everything. They added in some clean vocal passages and more emotion/love type lyrics than most bands had. This was fine, because both Jesse Leach and Howard Jones had awesome voices, rough or clean, the music was tight, and the lyrics were fairly well written. However, every angsty teenager in America started copying their blueprint, but added in infinitely worse vocals, cheesy lyrics, and big, stupid breakdowns. And that is how we've ended up with crappy bands like August Burns Red, The Devil Wears Prada, Attack Attack!, Brokencyde, and way too many other horribly awful bands to even try to name.

In short, in the beginning metalcore was good. You had music that sounded like metal but with way more intensity. KSE shows up and launches literally hundreds of horrible bands wearing the overly styled hair, tight v-neck, and girl pants uniform. I like good metalcore like Converge or Coalesce and think it's sad that there are kids stealing riffs that Norma Jean stole from someone else. One caveat. I'm not in any way an expert about the genre and what I've given is way too simplistic of an explanation, but it's the best I could do without writing a novel.

5StringBlues · #9 06-23-2010, 01:49 PM

Carrotcore

metallicafan18 · #10 06-23-2010, 01:55 PM

Everybody has different bands they put into different genre's.

The bands I see as metalcore are bands like Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, Shadows Fall, and bands like that.

Would you consider them as metalcore?

JoeVictim · #11 06-23-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Last Rebel

Good lord, I wish it would die. No, instead it's getting bigger, not to mention aborting more horrible subgenres every day with deathcore and crunkcore bieng the worst.

For those who don't know, metalcore is used today as a huge umbrella term for all sorts of bands that sound nothing alike. For example, Converge and Killswitch Engage are both metalcore. Good metalcore these days is few and far between, but what it is is extreme metal (thrash, death, grind) crossed with hardcore punk (DRI, Black Flag, etc). However, once Killswitch Engage came on the scene, they changed everything. They added in some clean vocal passages and more emotion/love type lyrics than most bands had. This was fine, because both Jesse Leach and Howard Jones had awesome voices, rough or clean, the music was tight, and the lyrics were fairly well written. However, every angsty teenager in America started copying their blueprint, but added in infinitely worse vocals, cheesy lyrics, and big, stupid breakdowns. And that is how we've ended up with crappy bands like August Burns Red, The Devil Wears Prada, Attack Attack!, Brokencyde, and way too many other horribly awful bands to even try to name.

In short, in the beginning metalcore was good. You had music that sounded like metal but with way more intensity. KSE shows up and launches literally hundreds of horrible bands wearing the overly styled hair, tight v-neck, and girl pants uniform. I like good metalcore like Converge or Coalesce and think it's sad that there are kids stealing riffs that Norma Jean stole from someone else. One caveat. I'm not in any way an expert about the genre and what I've given is way too simplistic of an explanation, but it's the best I could do without writing a novel.

Funny you mention some of the overprocessed bands, they are christian metalcore bands. There is actually a website devoted to boycotting these bands from metal...it's kinda funny.

TheVoiceless, metalcore will remain for now. It reminds me of when ska got really big back in the 90's. Sure it has been around for awhile and the original bands always seem to do it best, but right now there is an influx of bands and they are doing it in a watered down way.

Trying to invent and re-invent music styles is hard. Only a handfull of bands in history have been able to do it.

iamlowsound · #12 06-23-2010, 08:58 PM

I still dig UnderOath, but they are always seeming to do something new and different. Plus their clean and dirty vocals kick.

lowsound

BigOldHarry · #13 06-23-2010, 09:03 PM

what about bunnycore?

or muffincore?
or smileycore?

IronMaiden · #14 06-23-2010, 09:21 PM

I think it's just changing.

At the beginning no one had a keyboardist. Now everyone and their pet monkey does. It seems more are trying to add different genres into itself now. Plus some are just branching into mathcore.

I'm kind of curious of what is going to happen in the future.

I love break downs, harsh vocals and screams, synths, uncommon time signatures, and tons of genres. So here we go.

dave64o · #15 06-23-2010, 09:23 PM

Metalcore? Pffft, for children. I'm so hardcore I settle for nothing less than corecore.

omnimutant · #16 06-23-2010, 09:35 PM

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Metalcore? Pffft, for children. I'm so hardcore I settle for nothing less than corecore.

Meh, I'm cooler then you then cause I'm just "core".

It's all just metal, which is basically, just rock n roll Man! (which came from Jazz LOL)

Burlington · #17 06-23-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMaiden

I think it's just changing.

At the beginning no one had a keyboardist. Now everyone and their pet monkey does. It seems more are trying to add different genres into itself now. Plus some are just branching into mathcore.

I'm kind of curious of what is going to happen in the future.

I love break downs, harsh vocals and screams, synths, uncommon time signatures, and tons of genres. So here we go.

Bleeding Through always had a keyboardist

Joey3313 · #18 06-23-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMaiden

I think it's just changing.

At the beginning no one had a keyboardist. Now everyone and their pet monkey does. It seems more are trying to add different genres into itself now. Plus some are just branching into mathcore.

FYI, I saw Their Pet Monkey play last week, and can confirm that they do not have a keyboardist anymore. Apparently Ike was going through some girlfriend issues that were getting in the way of his commitments to the band, so Dave and the other guys kicked him out. Right in the middle of the tour! Can you believe that? Left him and his Moog on the side of the road just outside Spokane. Crazy...

They're looking, so if you guys know anyone, but for now they are just playing without one. Still sounds brutal.

Wait, what?

TSkills · #19 06-23-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omnimutant

Meh, I'm cooler then you then cause I'm just "core".

It's all just metal, which is basically, just rock n roll Man! (which came from Jazz LOL)

...which came from the blues. Music is in the ear of the beholder...

sonic assassin · #20 06-24-2010, 12:19 AM

metalcore isnt going anywhere. so long as there are bands out there like mine actively trying to bring an intelligent edge to the genre, it can stay alive.

5 years from now, if it goes all to ****, we will still be doing what we do. someone will find a way to call it something else. we wont care.