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Old 08-23-2011, 01:23 PM
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OK, gotta vent.....was in a local guitar shop just killing time and checking out some stuff (BTW, played this import MTD fretless...WOW!!!!) anyway...just screwing around.
OK, lemme toot my horn a little and you'll see why in a sec....I can play. I'm pretty far from sucking. I have good tone. I have good technique, I know some theory, got some chops. Get calls for gigs very regularly because of all this. In fact I joke, but in seriousness, I've forgotten more gigs than I can remember and forgotten more than a lot of guys have played. I've been lucky to play on some nice sized tours (nothing massive world tour like- but nice none-the-less).
Oh, I have some chops and what not.
Played everything from new "pop" country to R&B to jazz to rock to blues to CCM to gospel to........you get the point.

So back to the shop....this jack-pole moron wanna be-thinking-he's a rock-star waste of a nice bass idiot walks by as I'm just banging away on a bass and says- in a condescending way......."Hmm, neat" (yeah he said "neat") "Ya know I could play like that, but I choose not to. I just choose to groove. Play for the music. You should just groove man. Just groove."
***?!?!?

I looked at him and had to ask him what he said again....yeah, because I wasn't sure if he was serious and if I heard him correctly or not.
And he said it again "You should just groove man".
I just responded with.."Uh..yeah..sure"

OK here's the deal...you can't play like me because it's not a choice....you lack the ability.
Your "choice" is one out of necessity not ability. Or I should say it's because lack there of. And if you did indeed to choose to stylistically play like me, you'd sound like a ******.
It would be like me singing opera. Yeah, I choose not to sing opera. Not because I "could", because I would sound like a bull being dragged behind a New York taxi with no muffler through the Holland Tunnel at 60mph dodging traffic.
This guy would sound like a Rickenbacker thrown down a flight of stairs in the high school gym while plugged into a Crate practice amp and Big Muff if he tried to play half of what I can/did.

I see the same crap on YouTube comments..........ya know jackasses, if you want to test drive a Corvette and do 35, great. But when someone gets in the same car and opens it up on the freeway, STFU and let them.
You don't buy an F250 to haul around cotton balls for the same reason you don't try a bass out playing whole notes at 80bpm for 10 min. at Guitar Center.
Sure, I play some longer notes to hear sustain etc....but I play the damn thing up and down the neck, slap, tap and fire off some fast runs or what not.
Just groove.......
I love "My Girl" as much as the next guy. And to be honest, to play it right really takes a concentrated effort IMO. But I'm not gonna grab a bass and play it in the middle of a guitar shop (truth be told, I have. But usually for a few seconds).

So, before ANYONE gets all uppity, this jackwagon does indeed pick-up a bass and starts playing.
Did he suck? Not really. But did he have the ability to play what he called his "choice not to"??? Not by a long shot.
Even on a good day.
I gave lessons for a long time. Part of that is being able to judge someone's ability and determine what needs to be fixed/worked-on/improved/guided towards or what ever you want to call the roll of a teacher. He didn't have it.
Could he get it? Who knows. But I listened to him noodle around for a good 5+ min and heard zero that would suggest that he could back up what he claimed the other day.

OK, so here's a tip to any of you who decide to go down the path this idiot did and run your mouth. Don't.
Because if you make the choice "not to" and fly that flag, publicly, at least show that you may at the very least have some basic ability to chose to.
Get it?
Good....

Oh, I did kinda be an arse back. When I was walking out I looked at him playing a bass. and said "Wow man, nice" to which he replied "Yeah thanks".
I said "I was talking about the bass, not you, don't get excited- listen thanks for the advice. But there isn't a gig you do, that I can't do. But there are plenty I do that you could never do".

Now, here's my "disclaimer" in this....if you do indeed chose not to play a certain way, or a certain style that's totally cool and fine. I chose not to play like a lot of guys and styles. But if I hear someone doing something I choose not to do, I don't for any reason feel the need to bag on them for doing something I don't find appealing. If you don't wanna play like Jaco, great. Just don't be a moron and make statements saying you could, but you "choose not to".
Or in this ass-flaps case feel the need to elevate himself and make it out like he's some kind of superior player or what-not. I would pretty much never put myself above someone else like this tool-bag did. Talk about balls.

I wouldn't walk up to Victor Wooten and say to him "I could play like that, but I chose not to".

OK...I'm done now...flame the crap outta me......
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:30 PM
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:35 PM
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To be honest I'm not sure that I care enough about what some stranger who has no influence in my life thinks. If someone thinks they're better then me, so be it. That being said, I haven't been playing very long so they very well could be.

But... I also think there is something to be learned from everyone. Even if it's very small, it is still something.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:37 PM
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:39 PM
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:39 PM
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To be honest I'm not sure that I care enough about what some stranger who has no influence in my life thinks. If someone thinks they're better then me, so be it. That being said, I haven't been playing very long so they very well could be.

But... I also think there is something to be learned from everyone. Even if it's very small, it is still something.
Oh I don't care either. But I see this kinda crap on YouTube and have heard it said (to me and also not to me) before.
Usually I just ignore it.

I've had total beginner students show me stuff I wasn't aware of. You CAN lean from everyone yes.

But that's not what this is about. At all.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:40 PM
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Meh. I suck. I gig.
Well, yeah!!!!!
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:40 PM
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feel better now bro? lol

don't know you from a hole in the wall but it sounds like you may have some ego issues. yeah you may be a great player but man, maybe you need to work on humility a little? being a successful person is more important than being a successful player. when we find issues in our playing, we correct them. when we find issues in our person, we should likewise be attentive and acknowledge and correct them.

if you didn't have ego (or maybe insecurity?) issues, what this dude said would have rolled right off your back and you would have felt no need to say anything to him or to vent on here.

just my 2 cents... sorry if it's not what you were hoping for. if you're looking for support, yeah i agree with you too - the other guy was out of place to make that comment to you in the music store. he was probably trying to help you. how many of us encounter chop, show-off players in music stores who are unable to lay down a groove? i imagine he was trying to be helpful, not insulting to you...

Oh and I'm sure I'm not as good as you. But maybe you can learn something from me any way?

All of this is said to help, not judge you bro. Tone and heart is impossible to read on the Internet. Trust me bro, I'm for you - not against you.

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He sounded like a pretty cool guy.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:43 PM
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feel better now bro? lol

don't know you from a hole in the wall but it sounds like you may have some ego issues. yeah you may be a great player but man, maybe you need to work on humility a little? being a successful person is more important than being a successful player. when we find issues in our playing, we correct them. when we find issues in our person, we should likewise be attentive and acknowledge and correct them.

if you didn't have ego issues, what this dude said would have rolled right off your back and you would have felt no need to say anything to him or to vent on here.

just my 2 cents... sorry if it's not what you were hoping for. if you're looking for support, yeah i agree with you too - the other guy was out of place to make that comment to you in the music store. he was probably trying to help you. how many of us encounter chop, show-off players in music stores who are unable to lay down a groove? i imagine he was trying to be helpful, not insulting to you...

Oh and I'm sure I'm not as good as you. But maybe you can learn something from me any way?
Yeah you don't know me.
And I've been around here long enough for others who do know me to tell you that I'm not ego driven.
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that's a really really long awesome story about how you told some dude off at the music store! I agree with Waterpilot.
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Wow, what an ego. Better call NASA and let them know about a new low orbit moon.


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Old 08-23-2011, 01:47 PM
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Yeah you don't know me.
And I've been around here long enough for others who do know me to tell you that I'm not ego driven.
Fair enough - no offense intended. As they say - "if the shoe fits wear it". Perhaps it doesn't fit in this instance? All I have is your retelling of your story to go by.

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He definitely got your goat. Guess you just didn't like the guy. Oh well. *shrug*
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:50 PM
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It would be like me singing opera. Yeah, I choose not to sing opera. Not because I "could", because I would sound like a bull being dragged behind a New York taxi with no muffler through the Holland Tunnel at 60mph dodging traffic.
Nice image. I haven't been to NY in years, but it made me laugh.

I think your bas(s)ic premise is very sound. Silly for players to try to make themselves feel better about their abilities by trying to make another player feel worse.
Even sillier when they really don't have the ability to back it up. Meh, really no sillier - as I think about it, it would be just as silly for Victa to put you down (and he wouldn't - he's not that kind of cat) as for this guy to do so. Silliness however it gets sliced.

Equally good point, though - in the final scheme of things, it's not a big deal.
You're playing gigs with some great people and viewed positively enough to be endorsing some good gear.. He's trying to make himself feel better in his little world.
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