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08-23-2009, 09:34 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Florida | | I have never heard of him, but, man he can shred!  I think this will be intresting to see how he fits into ozzy's show.
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08-23-2009, 03:29 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA | | | Meh, haven't really cared for a long time. Plus the lawsuit against Iommi really irritated me.
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08-23-2009, 03:43 PM
|  | Friends, Romans, Bass Players... | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Spencer, MA, USA | | | So the guy's fast. Big whoop. They're all fast. The question is, can he play slow?
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08-23-2009, 03:44 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: DSM, IA | | | Yeah, I'd agree with the article. Ozzy's thing has really been shaped by Zakk and the more popularity BLS pulls, the less Ozzy appears relevant. But then again, what do you expect having Zakk Wylde as your long time guitarist? | 
08-23-2009, 06:26 PM
|  | Registered User | | | | | Shame you would want anyone but Zakk, he is a monster of a player and writer. But sometimes change is good.
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08-23-2009, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MN_Bass Shame you would want anyone but Zakk, he is a monster of a player and writer. But sometimes change is good. | Yeah, Zakk is great. My favorite is when he was in Pride & Glory.
If any of you haven't heard of them, I strongly suggest you check it out. | 
08-23-2009, 07:36 PM
|  | Registered User Endorsing Artist: Spector Basses/Genz Benz Amplification/Mojo Hand FX | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | | I'm not familiar with Firewind.,..but just listened to a couple of things on Youtube...holy moly...they are technically smokin...but i'm not sure if this guy is going to be a good fit with ozzy...but hey...ozzy has made some pretty good guitard decisions in the past...lol | 
08-23-2009, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fishtx I'm not familiar with Firewind.,..but just listened to a couple of things on Youtube...holy moly...they are technically smokin...but i'm not sure if this guy is going to be a good fit with ozzy...but hey...ozzy has made some pretty good guitard decisions in the past...lol | More like Sharon's made good guitard decisions.
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08-23-2009, 08:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Montreal, Canada | | | what happened to Zack?
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08-23-2009, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Yvon what happened to Zack? | He lost his hands in an extreme boating accident. | 
08-24-2009, 06:23 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ky | | Sounds to me like Ozzy/Sharon are making a decision to punish Zakk for having a life outside the Osbournes...
Its not surprising- but every time Ozzy gets a new guitar player it has been good for Ozzy:
1) Randy Rhodes: Obviously, Randy helped to bring Ozzy superstardom and out from Sabbath's shadow w/ Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a madman...
2) Brad Gillis: Bernie Torme didnt really work out as Randy's immediate replacement, but for Speak of the Devil- Brad sure did! Brad's solo on 'Symptom of the Universe' is one of my favorite Ozzy solos. Brad knew he would be better off w/ Night Ranger... I think he was right.
3) Jake E Lee: No one talks about Jake much- but he was great w/ Badlands and on Bark at the Moon & Ultimate sin.
4) Zakk Wylde: Perfect for Ozzy- great signature sound on every album since No rest for the wicked and an awesome live performer! Plus what people fail to remember is that Zakk has a real sense of loyalty to Ozzy and his place in rock/metal history... because of this, he has (next to Sharon?) been Ozzy's most staunch ally in everything that he has done for 20+ years...
* Joe Holmes also played guitar for Ozzy on tour in '95 (Ozzmosis) and was excellent... saw them play w/ Geezer
New blood can be good- and has been great for Ozzy many times in his career... but at this point its a little late in the game for it to matter all that much, imho | 
08-24-2009, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamrhed Sounds to me like Ozzy/Sharon are making a decision to punish Zakk for having a life outside the Osbournes...
Its not surprising- but every time Ozzy gets a new guitar player it has been good for Ozzy:
1) Randy Rhodes: Obviously, Randy helped to bring Ozzy superstardom and out from Sabbath's shadow w/ Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a madman...
4) Zakk Wylde: Plus what people fail to remember is that Zakk has a real sense of loyalty to Ozzy and his place in rock/metal history... because of this, he has (next to Sharon?) been Ozzy's most staunch ally in everything that he has done for 20+ years...
| Rhoads is the reason Ozzy's solo career wasn't a failure. He was the main reason people actually wanted to see the shows back then. The critics said he was the only reason to go see Ozzy at all. He wrote amazing music just based off of Ozzy's melody lines. He crafted Ozzy's sound. Pure genius.
While Zack has been a good fit for Ozzy.. he would be irrelevant without Rhoads. If you remember, when Zack Wylde(Zack Adams as he was first known) was first introduced, he was a major Randy clone. I'm not a fan of Zack, but I won't deny the boy has skillz..and has made Ozzy's solo career last a lot longer than most expected.
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08-24-2009, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Noonan768 Rhoads is the reason Ozzy's solo career wasn't a failure...The critics said he was the only reason to go see Ozzy at all | Agree 100%... its certainly the reason I wanted to see them back then- my description of Randy bears out your point here  But- give credit where credit is due: Bob Daisley had a huge hand in writing the music and all the lyrics as well... pretty much the reason that he continued to be asked back well into the '90s... and its no coincidence that he has been a part (between Bass playing and songwriting) of Ozzy's best work! Quote:
Originally Posted by Noonan768 If you remember, when Zack Wylde was first introduced, he was a major Randy clone. I'm not a fan of Zack, but I won't deny the boy has skillz..and has made Ozzy's solo career last a lot longer than most expected. | Ok- I actually disagree w/ this completely: remembering Zack as being 'a major Randy clone'. When No rest for the wicked was released the only thing that they had in common was the ability to play fast metal guitar (all of Ozzy's guitarists do- its a job requirement  ). Their styles are as different as night and day: Randy was pretty much a neoclassical shredder who accents w/ a wang bar, and Zakk a more southern rock influenced player who uses harmonics and no wang bar... and that has been the case for Zakk since day 1...
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08-24-2009, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamrhed Agree 100%... its certainly the reason I wanted to see them back then- my description of Randy bears out your point here  But- give credit where credit is due: Bob Daisley had a huge hand in writing the music and all the lyrics as well... pretty much the reason that he continued to be asked back well into the '90s... and its no coincidence that he has been a part (between Bass playing and songwriting) of Ozzy's best work!
Ok- I actually disagree w/ this completely: remembering Zack as being 'a major Randy clone'. When No rest for the wicked was released the only thing that they had in common was the ability to play fast metal guitar (all of Ozzy's guitarists do- its a job requirement  ). Their styles are as different as night and day: Randy was pretty much a neoclassical shredder who accents w/ a wang bar, and Zakk a more southern rock influenced player who uses harmonics and no wang bar... and that has been the case for Zakk since day 1... | As for Bob.. Yes.. He was a huge impact on the writing too. But most main stream fans and critics didn't notice him.. Randy was what they were all writing about and raving about. I still think Bob was amazing and deserved to be asked back.
As for the Zack I'm referring to.. I'm talking about his early look and instruments.. before No Rest came out. Randy loved the squeals too in between chords, Zack jsut did it more. I think Zack created a different sound for himself. But he was picked partly because of his Randy like style and look. Sharon and Ozzy have said something to this effect.
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08-24-2009, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Noonan768 But he was picked partly because of his Randy like style and look. Sharon and Ozzy have said something to this effect. | Just makes good business sense I guess! And even Zakk will tell you that Randy was a major influence- but who hasnt he influenced from that era... even still influences me and I havent picked up a six string in ages!
Thats where the similarities end: The diminutive and quiet Randy and the bigger and bolder Wylde are both great and both have served Ozzy well 
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08-24-2009, 08:28 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Montreal, Canada | | | I didn't like Zakk WYlde at all.
It's a good thing they changed him as far as him concern.
I couldn't stand his false hamonics he was doing every 2 bars.
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08-24-2009, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Yvon I didn't like Zakk WYlde at all.
It's a good thing they changed him as far as him concern.
I couldn't stand his false hamonics he was doing every 2 bars. | +1
I lost interest in Ozzy after Wylde came on board. The songs just seemed to get boring and, at least to me, they all sounded like the same bland mess.
Maybe this new guy can spark some interest for me. I looked up a few Firewind videos and I like what I hear. Will he fit in with Ozzy? We'll see.
If only he could get Bob Daisley back he'd be all set. Too bad Bob won't (for good reason) go anywhere near him anymore. Lee Kerslake as well. | 
08-24-2009, 10:35 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ky | | I agree that- in this case- change could be good for Ozzy & Zakk... just that its getting a bit late in the game for Ozzy anyway Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkner If only he could get Bob Daisley back he'd be all set. Too bad Bob won't (for good reason) go anywhere near him anymore. Lee Kerslake as well. | Bob is awesome: great guy & player who has seen & done a lot more than most people realize. I know its a done-to-death topic, but it was so wrong to re-record the rhythm tracks that Bob and Lee Kerslake put down... I bought a copy of Blizzard off ebay recently thinking it was the original, and it was the re-record. All they did was ape Bob's basslines and the overall ambience of the track suffered...
I understand the motive- right or wrong- but the recording was not helped at all by the move  | 
08-24-2009, 10:40 AM
| | | | Ugh, what I hate the most about those re-recorded bass lines is that Rob doesn't even sound like he's trying to recapture the sound of the originals. I am so glad to have the originals. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | |
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