Quality Forum for Drummers?

[Bongolation]

Is there a TalkBass-grade, high traffic forum site for drummers?

I've looked but haven't found much. Just lots of semi-dead ones. Not interested.

Thanks for any help!

[Stinsok]

I haven't found one like TB but there are smaller forums on company websites (like Sabian, etc.)

[hbarcat]

There are numerous small ones a fraction of the size of TB.


FYI, TalkBass is the largest single issue discussion forum on the internet - on any topic.

[bongomania]

www.cymbalholic.com is an excellent forum focused on cymbals, with additional general drum discussion. I haven't spent much time there lately, but I remember the people being mostly mature, helpful, and interesting.

[Bongolation]

Originally Posted by bongomania

www.cymbalholic.com is an excellent forum focused on cymbals

Hmmm. I wonder if they can explain why they're so bloody expensive!

[Every other question about cymbals seem relatively trivial compared to that one!]

Well, anyway, I guess there's no hope in my original quest if TalkBass is that far ahead of the online pack, overall.

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by Bongolation

Hmmm. I wonder if they can explain why they're so bloody expensive!

Believe me, that question on that forum is just like "are boutique basses really worth the price" threads here on TB.

[Bongolation]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Believe me, that question on that forum is just like "are boutique basses really worth the price" threads here on TB.

No, similar, but it's a lot worse.

When you see some fool happily parting with $700 for a thin 20" disc of bronze B8 alloy, what you're witnessing is an epic triumph of marketing and consumer credulity, a skyrocketing attempt at a brand equity altitude record while the sun shines.

Almost all music gear is obscenely overpriced once one leaves entry-level, but cymbals surpass even snooty stompboxes as absurdly poor dollar values for what they actually are.

It's hard to last on any gear forum without either buying into the prevailing delusions or suffering fools gladly, and a cymbal forum would require more restraint than I possess.

[bongomania]

Hmmm... I disagree with you, but then we all value things differently.

[oldrookie]

I was just looking around today because my 13-year old wants to learn to play drums. Take a look at onlinedrummer.com. Seems pretty good, but I haven't spend much time there yet.

[Ekim]

I'm primarily a drummer.

www.drummerworld.com is a very good forum. Quite a few pros come in there from time to time. Lots of good info and less silliness than most message boards.

[MadMan118]

Originally Posted by hbarcat

There are numerous small ones a fraction of the size of TB.


FYI, TalkBass is the largest single issue discussion forum on the internet - on any topic.

Are bassists more organized or something?

[Bongolation]

Originally Posted by MadMan118

Are bassists more organized or something?

They talk less and think more, maybe.

[Kimpini]

My drummer friend uses:

http://www.drumsmylife.com/

[Quadcam]

http://www.drumchat.com

I go on there all the time, very moderated, family friendly type forum with some really good info and great people.

[Joey3313]

Originally Posted by Bongolation

No, similar, but it's a lot worse.

When you see some fool happily parting with $700 for a thin 20" disc of bronze B8 alloy, what you're witnessing is an epic triumph of marketing and consumer credulity, a skyrocketing attempt at a brand equity altitude record while the sun shines.

Almost all music gear is obscenely overpriced once one leaves entry-level, but cymbals surpass even snooty stompboxes as absurdly poor dollar values for what they actually are.

It's hard to last on any gear forum without either buying into the prevailing delusions or suffering fools gladly, and a cymbal forum would require more restraint than I possess.

Find me a cymbal that price that is made of B8.

Most quality cymbals are B20, but even then, I'm at a loss to think of a cymbal that is $700...Paiste, which can get pretty expensive, don't get THAT expensive.

If you honestly believe that entry level cymbals sound the exact same as, oh, say a Hand Hammered cymbal, I am envious. To be so oblivious would have saved me some money.

[bongomania]

Well there are Spizziccino's and other boutique handmade cymbals which can get into that price range. It's a lot like basses or effects pedals: the vast majority are moderately priced and "do the job", then there are the premium models (from premium companies) which cost twice as much, and then there are obscure handmade kvlt items from legendary obscure demigods, where their products go for 3-4 times as much as the others.

I do agree firmly though that there is a real palpable difference between the tone of an "average" cymbal and the tone of a "truly fine" handcrafted cymbal, well worth the price to me.

'Course when an interviewer asked Buddy Rich what kind of cymbals he plays, he answered "whatever they provide at the gig."

[Bongolation]

Originally Posted by bongomania

'Course when an interviewer asked Buddy Rich what kind of cymbals he plays, he answered "whatever they provide at the gig."

Buddy Rich provided a ton of bluntly sensible advice and commentary in his lifetime and this is some. I don't think the guy ever once filtered his answers for acceptability. You asked him and you had to be able to take the answer you got.

There's a great (if no longer maintained ) drum instruction site that among its other features shows a series of classic photos of great drummers in action. It's an eye-opener for cork-sniffing gear whores, let me tell you, particularly studio shots at historic sessions before the current plague of predatory marketing, contrived scarcity of value in glamor gear and heavy product endorsement sluttery in the gear industry.

Let's put it this way: The great sessions were not done on overmarketed $1400 MSRP contract Chinese snare drums with $60 worth of heads replaced every three weeks.

Most "good" gear is wildly, insanely overpriced these days relative to what it should be being produced for. Most exploitative incrementalism of value exists for no other purpose than to increase profit margin by the illusion of significant choice. You're paying more for the item's marketing costs than you are for the actual product in many cases.

[knumbskull]

Originally Posted by bongomania

'Course when an interviewer asked Buddy Rich what kind of cymbals he plays, he answered "whatever they provide at the gig."

as a bassist who often moonlights as a drummer*, i can understand his thinking!

...not a popular attitude round here, in terms of equipment, i know



*or is it the other way round?


um. back to the thread.