Question on Stage Lighting
I have been looking to get a little wow factor to complement the band. We play a tribute to grunge. I was looking at this set up and was hoping I could get some opinions from some of you with experience. http://www.bulbamerica.com/4-pcs-par...ontroller.html We have 5 members.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Is this to add to your current light setup, or is it to be the entire setup?
If this is your entire setup, with a 5 piece ideally you'd want the lights stage front L and R because you're occupying a fair amount of space. Two of those LED PARS (with the small LEDs) on each side aren't going to cast a whole lot of light, so there won't be much "wow" unless the venue is pitch black (and smoky!). You'll also need to buy stands to hang these things from, so that raises the cost. But I think to get decent light on 5 guys, you'd need 2 of those packages.
My experience that the the "tri" LEDs are much brighter than these small LED cans. I have the "Fabfour Tri's" from cheaplights.com that are like the Chauvet 4Bar Tri's; my cost was about the same as this bulbamerica package, although I don't see the Tris listed on cheaplight's website anymore. The advantage of the 4Bar-type approach is that there is almost no setup time (it all mounts as a unit on an included stand) and it is controlled with a foot controller--which is nice because one of the musicians can punch a sound-active chase during a solo, without needing an extra hand to do so. The controller that comes with the bulbamerica setup would be nice if you guys have a dedicated sound guy who could press those buttons at opportune times, but in my band, my toes serve as the lighting director!
Two of those 4Bar Tri's, linked via DMX(XLR) cable, and controlled by foot makes for a very nice light show that works for most venues. But even one unit can light up a stage pretty well.
Thanks Geez, its the first lighting purchase so that's all we will have at this point. This gig is a bar stage width is 20' x 15' deep x 7-8' high I was trying to squeeze in one more of those leds for 3 across the back and to up front. But I'm not sure how much cash I'm gonna,have. Someone scanned my debit card for a few grand last week. But for that size cubby hole / stage do u still feel it will be weak? I'm also going to use my banner stand to mount the rears
Also will have a strobe from Halloween and fog that I'm gonna sit on a pc fan to try and circulate it. Also I will be doing the lights, I'm the manager.
A few things.
1. I agree with everything the geezer had to say.
2. Those lights have a 25 degree beam spread, which is fairly narrow. That means you can't put them very close to your stage without having a pretty small pool of light.
3. They give zero information about brightness, but 12 watts isn't much for a 3 color. I agree that they probably aren't going to give you much intensity.
4. Those are "DJ" level instruments. Stage quality instruments put out a lot more light and cost a lot more money. You don't need a lot of lighting intensity to throw some interesting color on a dance floor, but if you want to make the performers on a stage stand out from the rest of the room's lighting, it takes a lot more brightness.
5. The reality is that LED lighting is still very expensive per lumen. It has some spectacular advantages (lamp life, power consumption, heat production per lumen, color control) but you have to pay big bucks for instruments that are nearly as bright as conventional PAR cans.
If you don't need color control and can be happy with just gelling lights and having them stay the same color for the entire show, you can get a WHOLE lot more light from a few conventional PAR cans than you will get from those. The downside is that they will need a lot more power - you can only run 4 or 5 500w PAR56 cans on one circuit (unless you start running them only at partial intensity, and then you run the chance of blowing the breaker if someone runs one up too bright).
I'm always very suspicious of "DJ" stuff that gives you very limited specification info. Real stage lights give you real information. For comparison, here's the specs on a real stage LED from Rosco:
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That instrument costs over $800, provides only white light (with control of color temperature of the white light), has 48 watts of LED's, and puts out 3100 lumens. A 500w PAR 56 can puts out 8800 lumens, and will cost you about $75, or well under $50 used. Even 300w PAR 56 lamps will give you around 3800 lumens.
I'm only guessing (since they won't tell you how much light it puts out), but the instrument you're looking at probably doesn't put out 500 lumens, and may well be far less.
Someone once shared a quote with me that made me laugh. It seems appropriate for this thread...
"If you want your band to sound better, invest in more/better lighting."
Bassman, that's tricky,
Major, that is really good info. Really raining on my parade but good info none the less.
So what's the minimum lumens that I want to look at?
Keith which set up do you have ? Mjr. Softy or the one I was looking into?
I went with the bulb america package ( 4 par 64 leds, monster dmx controller by optima), I drove out to their warehouse and checked them out personally. while there i received a message from a guy selling 4 par 56's 300w, a dmx 4 channel dimmer pack, a 4 lite tree, a truss, and a chauvet color pallet. I used everything except the color pallet.I also had a couple foggers in the basement and a strobe light. All in all we H
had a great show on the 28th and i'll attach a link to the video of one of the songs to the show. please post your comments on this thread. the video hasn't been finished for public viewing as of yet.
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