A quiston for any person thats into bass music theroy

[metalandjazzman]

Hey this i metalandjazzman here i play bass guitar and i am really in to music theory. And something is buging me. I don't play any of the instruments i am asking you. The reason i chose this forum is that there is a lot of dedication to bass cleft music. Well heres the thin whenever theres a special increment in a family. Like baritone saxophone or bass clarinet bass saxophone or contra bass saxophone or the tenor bass guitar or AKA piccolo bass guitar. But heres my questions if theres a bass instrument why isn't written in bass clef music like the contra bass saxophone is still written on treble cleft why is that?

PS if you recommend me to go to a different forum website please don't treat me like a idiot or make from of me cause tis has nothing to do with the bass guitar. Man i hope the moderator wont delete this if has nothing to do with the bass guitar. but there is a lot of bassist thats i to music theory like this like down to a science.

[ByF]

I'll make a guess and say that bass and baritone sax music music is written so that any sax player can pick it up and read it--they probably do most of their reading in treble clef, so that's what they know how to read.

Music can be written in either clef. The instrument may sound an octave or two lower than is written, but as long as the musician understands that it's okay. Guitar and bass music are written an octave higher than they actually sound, too, by the way.

I used to play baritone horn in high school band. That horn plays in the bass register, but it is common to see baritone horn music written in either bass or treble clef. If an ex-tuba player switched to baritone horn, he could read bass clef. If someone from the trumpet section switched to baritone horn, he could read treble clef. It sounds the same, but the sheet music looks different.

It's just for the convenience of the musician.

Ed

[Jim Campbell]

some instruments range's would be all ledger lines if notated where they should be.....Bb bass clarinets are fingered the same as Bb clarinets so i guess at some point the more convenient clef was chosen

[Pacman]

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

Hey this i metalandjazzman here i play bass guitar and i am really in to music theory. And something is buging me. I don't play any of the instruments i am asking you. The reason i chose this forum is that there is a lot of dedication to bass cleft music. Well heres the thin whenever theres a special increment in a family. Like baritone saxophone or bass clarinet bass saxophone or contra bass saxophone or the tenor bass guitar or AKA piccolo bass guitar. But heres my questions if theres a bass instrument why isn't written in bass clef music like the contra bass saxophone is still written on treble cleft why is that?

PS if you recommend me to go to a different forum website please don't treat me like a idiot or make from of me cause tis has nothing to do with the bass guitar. Man i hope the moderator wont delete this if has nothing to do with the bass guitar. but there is a lot of bassist thats i to music theory like this like down to a science.

If you're really into theory, I'm going to give you a lesson you apparently missed. It's bass clef.

[metalandjazzman]

Originally Posted by ByF

I'll make a guess and say that bass and baritone sax music music is written so that any sax player can pick it up and read it--they probably do most of their reading in treble clef, so that's what they know how to read.

Music can be written in either clef. The instrument may sound an octave or two lower than is written, but as long as the musician understands that it's okay. Guitar and bass music are written an octave higher than they actually sound, too, by the way.

I used to play baritone horn in high school band. That horn plays in the bass register, but it is common to see baritone horn music written in either bass or treble clef. If an ex-tuba player switched to baritone horn, he could read bass clef. If someone from the trumpet section switched to baritone horn, he could read treble clef. It sounds the same, but the sheet music looks different.

It's just for the convenience of the musician.

Ed

Yeah i played trombone in junior high and theres is a tenor trombone thats on tenor cleft a soprano trombone on soprano cleft and theres a contra bass and bass trombone. i am guessing that trombone and bass guitar work on the same music theory thats why i could pickup the bass guitar so quickly. But bass guitar music is written mostly in the sharp key signature and rarely you see trombone music have a sharp key signature but probley only on trombone scales. But it has been a year since i quit band and my music ear and music theory dried up like a puddle of mud. If i play my cards right and master bass cleft music theory. I can upgrade from electric bass to double bass.

[Bluesy Soul]

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

Yeah i played trombone in junior high and theres is a tenor trombone thats on tenor cleft (emphasis added) a soprano trombone on soprano cleft (emphasis added) and theres a contra bass and bass trombone. i am guessing that trombone and bass guitar work on the same music theory thats why i could pickup the bass guitar so quickly. But bass guitar music is written mostly in the sharp key signature and rarely you see trombone music have a sharp key signature but probley (emphasis added) only on trombone scales. But it has been a year since i quit band and my music ear and music theory dried up like a puddle of mud. If i play my cards right and master bass cleft (emphasis added) music theory. I can upgrade from electric bass to double bass.

Unbelieveable!

Bluesy Soul

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

But bass guitar music is written mostly in the sharp key signature and rarely you see trombone music have a sharp key signature but probley only on trombone scales.

That's because most bass guitar is played in accompaniment to regular guitar, and most easy guitar keys are keys with sharps in the key sig. School bands (I played trombone bass clef notated) play a lot more often in the flatted keys.

What ByF said about a lot of bass instruments having charts notated for them in treble clef is correct; many players of those instruments move to them from treble clef instruments and it's easier for them to read and play if the notes are where they are accustomed to seeing them. As a matter of fact, many instruments have their charts transposed to intervals that are not octave multiples for the same reason.

[standupright]

what an.......hmmmm...interesting thread

[fdeck]

The "flat" keys are easier for woodwinds, and the "sharp" keys are easier for strings. For instance the first keys that kids learn on violin are all "sharp" keys.

All of the instruments of mainstream Western music use the same set of 12 notes. Theory is based on those notes, and does not set a preference for any particular notation or clef.

But I am guessing that you are putting the cart before the horse, by worrying about theory when you should just get an instrument and a teacher, and start playing. For at least the first couple years, you will learn all the theory you need in the course of your regular lessons.

[metalandjazzman]

I would like to get some piccolo bass strings for my bass and write the music on tenor cleft. Cause piccolo bass is just a nick name for it its real name is the tenor bass. So why just put it on tenor cleft?

[Jim Campbell]

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

I would like to get some piccolo bass strings for my bass and write the music on tenor cleft. Cause piccolo bass is just a nick name for it its real name is the tenor bass. So why just put it on tenor cleft?

dude..the word is clef.....cleft is that hole on kirk douglas' chin.....you gotta be messin' with us right.......

[CamMcIntyre]

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

I would like to get some piccolo bass strings for my bass and write the music on tenor cleft. Cause piccolo bass is just a nick name for it its real name is the tenor bass. So why just put it on tenor cleft?

Ease of reading. It is what the other guys just got through saying about how bass & guitar read stuff an octave higher than it sounds.

I can read treble clef & bass clef pretty well on bass-either electric or upright. Tenor clef or any of the C clefs and I'll have to stop and think.

Learn to read treble and bass clef well, and you will be set for 99.999% of notation you will ever see. The last time I saw a C clef was in a theory class within I think the first month. The rest of the time, even the college level theory books had us focus on reading in treble & bass clef.

You can write music where ever you like to, but why put out that much effort to read a third clef? Treble clef or bass clef and adjust the octave to fit.

Don't get hung up on the name of the various tunings. If you go to a string shop to buy piccolo bass strings and ask for tenor, you more than likely won't get the correct thing.

When I hear tenor bass-I think of a bass tuned ADGCF (I play mostly 5s) yet when I hear piccolo bass-I know that you mean EADG just up an octave.

[metalandjazzman]

I keep on forgetting what octave's are i know that they are very important in many ways.

[Jimmy Bones]

Carrots are full of octaves and are good for your eyes.

[standupright]

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

Hey this i metalandjazzman here i play bass guitar and i am really in to music theory. And something is buging me. I don't play any of the instruments i am asking you. The reason i chose this forum is that there is a lot of dedication to bass cleft music. Well heres the thin whenever theres a special increment in a family. Like baritone saxophone or bass clarinet bass saxophone or contra bass saxophone or the tenor bass guitar or AKA piccolo bass guitar. But heres my questions if theres a bass instrument why isn't written in bass clef music like the contra bass saxophone is still written on treble cleft why is that?

PS if you recommend me to go to a different forum website please don't treat me like a idiot or make from of me cause tis has nothing to do with the bass guitar. Man i hope the moderator wont delete this if has nothing to do with the bass guitar. but there is a lot of bassist thats i to music theory like this like down to a science.

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

Yeah i played trombone in junior high and theres is a tenor trombone thats on tenor cleft a soprano trombone on soprano cleft and theres a contra bass and bass trombone. i am guessing that trombone and bass guitar work on the same music theory thats why i could pickup the bass guitar so quickly. But bass guitar music is written mostly in the sharp key signature and rarely you see trombone music have a sharp key signature but probley only on trombone scales. But it has been a year since i quit band and my music ear and music theory dried up like a puddle of mud. If i play my cards right and master bass cleft music theory. I can upgrade from electric bass to double bass.

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

I would like to get some piccolo bass strings for my bass and write the music on tenor cleft. Cause piccolo bass is just a nick name for it its real name is the tenor bass. So why just put it on tenor cleft?

Originally Posted by metalandjazzman

I keep on forgetting what octave's are i know that they are very important in many ways.

[Pacman]

Don't feed the trolls.


metalandjazzman, you're now on my watch list. You don't want to be on my watch list.