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08-02-2004, 11:19 PM
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GREAT fusion group with Al DiMieola, Stanley Clarke, Chick Corea, and Lenny White. 
Everyone needs to listen and bow to them.
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08-03-2004, 06:34 AM
|  | <-- That guy looks like me, but old. | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arlington TX | | | What year is it? I had all their albums(Yes, LP's) back in the early '80's.
Try Vertu. Stanley and Lenny from RTF with Richie Kotzen, Karen Briggs and Rachel Z. They're billed as the second coming of fusion.
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08-03-2004, 06:42 AM
| | | | RTF was a huge influence on me when I was a kid and learning to play. Now though I find it a bit wankerish - a lot of over playing.
I prefer the first RTF album without DiMeola and Stanley playing DB. |
08-03-2004, 07:59 AM
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08-03-2004, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by The Beast Everyone needs to listen and bow to them. | I dig 'em too. But many do not.
Many of us are just lucky there was a time that much of that era's music got heavy rotation on FM and college radio stations.
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08-03-2004, 10:00 AM
|  | I Know Nothing | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Columbia River Gorge, WA. | | I prefer the first RTF album without DiMeola and Stanley playing DB.
+1
I saw a show on the Romantic Warrior tour though, and there was a long (2+ hours!) acoustic improv set in the middle of the show. Stanley was great on upright bass. Same when I saw his band and Shakti share a bill. McLaughlin and Stanley killed (in a good way) Goodbye, Porkpie Hat, played acoustically.
I like RTF better with Bill Connors, even. The stuff with Flora Purim is still worth a listen, IMHO. I never listen to the classic RTF electric sides anymore though. What were we/they thinking back then?
Still, for guys who didn't live that era at the time, there are many worse avenues of musical edification, no?
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08-03-2004, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bard2dbone Try Vertu. Stanley and Lenny from RTF with Richie Kotzen, Karen Briggs and Rachel Z. They're billed as the second coming of fusion. | You know, I've looked all over for that album, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere. 
As for RTF, I can't really say. I bought Romantic Warrior out of curiosity, but never really gave it a serious listen. Perhaps I should do that when I get back to LA.
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08-03-2004, 11:46 AM
| | | [quote=Sheep Man]You know, I've looked all over for that album, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere.
That's because it stank. |
08-03-2004, 04:35 PM
| | | | Agreed.
If one digs '70s electric RTF...check out the later albums of Tribal Tech(same instrumentation as electric RTF on TT's later albums).
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08-03-2004, 09:21 PM
| | <-- That guy looks like me, but old. | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arlington TX | | | I won't go as far as 'stank.' It was definitely not as strong as a RTF album. But about a third was good. A third of a good CD is a better ratio than I usually get nowadays.
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08-03-2004, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bard2dbone I won't go as far as 'stank.' It was definitely not as strong as a RTF album. But about a third was good. A third of a good CD is a better ratio than I usually get nowadays. |
Stank. Like week-old egg salad my brutha !
I'm just glad Stan is back to playing the bass. |
08-03-2004, 09:31 PM
| | <-- That guy looks like me, but old. | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arlington TX | | | I must have liked it more than you. I was just glad to hear Stanley and Lenny together again. And Rachel Z has some smoove keyboard moves. I could have lived without the guitar parts and I was neutral on the violin. But still, I give it about one out of three.
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08-04-2004, 06:25 AM
| | | | Lenny is the Man...
I once saw George Benson and Earl Klugh play at the Baltimore Opera and the real treat of the evening was Lenny on drums ! |
08-04-2004, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bard2dbone I must have liked it more than you. I was just glad to hear Stanley and Lenny together again. And Rachel Z has some smoove keyboard moves. I could have lived without the guitar parts and I was neutral on the violin. But still, I give it about one out of three. |
Yeah - I got that album and loved the Bass solos and general bass/drums playing and was surprised how good Rachel Z was - but the guitar playing is simply horrible - I hate it with a vengeance - even more so as, it was taking away from the other players! 
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08-04-2004, 10:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | Well, Richie did replace (or should it be "replace?") Paul Gilbert in Mr. Big...
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08-04-2004, 04:13 PM
| | <-- That guy looks like me, but old. | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arlington TX | | | Well he is an okay pentatonic rock player but he was way out of his depth with these people.
Is it just me or does it seem a little too appropriate that his last name means 'vomit' in German?
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08-05-2004, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield but the guitar playing is simply horrible | how so? |
08-06-2004, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bard2dbone Well he is an okay pentatonic rock player but he was way out of his depth with these people. | Plus a really nasty and inappropriate, distorted tone!!
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08-06-2004, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bard2dbone Well he is an okay pentatonic rock player but he was way out of his depth with these people.
Is it just me or does it seem a little too appropriate that his last name means 'vomit' in German? | im not a big kotzen fan but keith richards is an okay pentatonic rock player. richie does a lot more than that. im not real big on the shrapnel guys but theyre great at what they do. |
08-06-2004, 02:06 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | But the point is it's inapproriate for this situation - every time the guitar comes in it jars and sticks out like a sore thumb - I think it's a shame as Stanley's playing is great and I really love evrything about it - great tone, wonderfully melodic solos, etc. - but I just cannot listen to the album, as I can't sit through a second of any of the guitar parts - I just have to turn it off!
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