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10-27-2012, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dom Phenom  | Is what this guy talking about related in any way to how we bass players are advised to use chord tones to make up bass lines? It seems that we could learn alot from each other.
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10-27-2012, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JimK Phil Upchurch on "Take Five" (from Bad Benson)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhSBK8VaLss
My crappy workplace PC speakers can kinda make out Upchurch's playing. YMMV.
Gadd is on drums, Ron Carter on bass, Kenny Barron on piano... | I broke out my headdies. I like the way he's locked it with the drummer.
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10-27-2012, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by heynorm And, listen how Bob Weir would weave in textures with Jerry and Phil in the Grateful Dead. | In fact I remember reading an interview with Jerry back in the late 70s where he said Weir was his favorite guitar player and, in his opinion, a more interesting player than he was. Of course it could have just been Jerry blowing smoke to a bandmate, but it's not that big a stretch. Weir has a great feel and a distinctive harmonic vocabulary.
+1 to Townshend, Lennon and Keith too.
I came to bass from guitar and always thought of myself as primarily a rhythm guitar player. To all the stuff about voicings, arpeggiating etc., I will add that the key thing to rhythm guitar playing is a good ear for texture and dynamics and an understanding of how your technique affects them. You could be fretting barre chords the whole time, but on one chord you are just emphasizing the root and fifth, on another you're bringing out a couple of upper intervals. You're exercising fine control about how you attack the strings with the right hand and how you "choke" each chord or let it bloom with the left. You're using subtle up- and down-stroke accents to create grooves. You're integrating hammers and pulls within the chord. And this all has to come out sounding seamless, fluid and simple. It's a pretty deep art. I've known some very good lead players who just don't have the knack for it.
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10-28-2012, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by heynorm And, listen how Bob Weir would weave in textures with Jerry and Phil in the Grateful Dead. | Thank You.
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10-28-2012, 09:53 AM
| | | | Phelps "Catfish" Collins of James Brown/P-Funk fame. The definition of funk rhythm guitarist.
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10-28-2012, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by icecycle66 Does "rhythm guitar" necessitate anything more than staying in time? | Evidently not in some of the suck bands I've heard lately. But a "real" rhythm guitarist adds not only a rhythmic element by sync'ing with the drums and bass, but also harmony, fills, and lends "texture" to the lead. A good rhythm guitarist is a rare find these days.
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10-28-2012, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FilterFunk Phelps "Catfish" Collins of James Brown/P-Funk fame. The definition of funk rhythm guitarist. | +1
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11-06-2012, 10:57 AM
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11-06-2012, 07:17 PM
|  | **** | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: west coast | | | Lately I've been listening to some reggae and funk records that feature two rhythm guitarists, the "skank" or chord guy and the "single note guy" who develops some interplay between the bass line, drums and the rest of the band through tasty rhythmic and melodic workings. I don't see or hear a lot of this type of approach anymore. Maybe it's due to economic/business reasons, or maybe I'm just old school. Either way it's a treat to hear and I'm sad I don't get the chance to play bass with this type of thing going-on any more.
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11-06-2012, 07:21 PM
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Edit: A Donnie Lyle is credited as the bassist and guitarist on R Kelly's latest album where these 2 tracks are from.
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11-08-2012, 06:44 AM
| | | Some great people mentioned here.
I'd just like to add Jimi Hendrix on "Band of Gypsys"-- you can really hear his masterful R&B/funk rhythm stuff here. Plus, in that trio format, he's weaving it in and out with lead playing, and singing, too.
"Them Changes" is cool (Buddy Miles sings this one). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYp5NtkpCAA
"Message to Love" has particularly great stuff going on. He even incorporates octaves in places. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGstt-X46D4
There's some nice rhythm guitar in here, too ("Freedom"): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap5LzKPnyT4
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