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hyp.spec · #1 02-02-2011, 11:26 AM

What is with all this bashing left and right about Metal?

I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and that's fine, but I've been a member of the TalkBass community for years and LOVED it because everyone was always friendly and informative, regardless of what music people played or had questions on.

But as of late, it seems like its the hip and cool thing to bash music preferences. Why? What is it going to get you?

Take a look on any guitar or drum forum and there are all kinds of 'elitists' all over the place bashing this and bashing that... and it seems like a select few at Talkbass here are determined to send this forum into that direction.

I don't go out and bash Jazz, indie, funk, rock etc people, and you certainly don't see any of it coming from other people on the forum... why does Metal bashing have to be so prominent?

If someone has a question on something, why can't the answers be posted in an informative, friendly, accepting manner?

And once all is said and done, if you're playing the music you want to play, whats so bad?

fearceol · #2 02-02-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hyp.spec

if you're playing the music you want to play, whats so bad?

You could also say "if you are playing the music you want to play".. then to hell with what anyone else thinks.

I would not "fret" too much about it.

BigOldHarry · #3 02-02-2011, 11:59 AM

why do you care what others think?

hyp.spec · #4 02-02-2011, 12:01 PM

I don't... its just annoying seeing talkbass turn hostile towards 'non-elitists'...

amosjones · #5 02-02-2011, 12:04 PM

I have seen a little of it here and theres, usually the threads get deleted or closed. Or the offending posters get warned.

HeadyVan Halen · #6 02-02-2011, 12:06 PM

I'll be honest with you, I don't get the growlin', scream-o stuff what so ever.
Pantera--superb
Tool--fantastic

Cradle of Filth--??
Dying Fetus---??

It's hard for me to take this type of music seriously. I can't hear any beat, any notes and that makes it sound bad in my ears.

I don't care why you or anybody else likes it or anything, my question as always been (and no one has answered it) WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT IT?

Maybe I'm missing something..

hyp.spec · #7 02-02-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

Metal is completely about image and acceptance amongst the metal community.

You aren't metal unless the metal community says you are.

The reason the satire of it all is the threads that people jump on here and ask what the best (X) for metal is. In other words, what (X) will get me noticed and accepted by my peers of the metal community. They know what basses people play in the metal community, but are looking for acceptance of what gear to use from other metal fans on the forum.

I could go on an entire psychological rant but what it comes down to is that metal doesn't take well to satire, regardless of intention.

How is that any different than saying Hartke is slap and Ampeg is for Rock?

ALL music genre's have an 'accepted' image that people adhere too... and just as many if not more just don't give a rats @$$ anyway...

What reason do I have playing a 212 w/ a MB head... when I'm in a metal band? I play it cause I love the sound... yippee...

But maybe I'm just one of those offbeat metal heads that doesn't care about image...

hyp.spec · #8 02-02-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadyVan Halen

I'll be honest with you, I don't get the growlin', scream-o stuff what so ever.
Pantera--superb
Tool--fantastic

Cradle of Filth--??
Dying Fetus---??

It's hard for me to take this type of music seriously. I can't hear any beat, any notes and that makes it sound bad in my ears.

I don't care why you or anybody else likes it or anything, my question as always been (and no one has answered it) WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT IT?

Maybe I'm missing something..

I agree with you on that point, but the post isn't about the legitimacy of the music or the talent of the musicians.

I just don't get why all of the sudden its the new trend to bully people on TB?

fenderhutz · #9 02-02-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hyp.spec

But maybe I'm just one of those offbeat metal heads that doesn't care about image...

That's not metal

HeadyVan Halen · #10 02-02-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hyp.spec

I agree with you on that point, but the post isn't about the legitimacy of the music or the talent of the musicians.

I just don't get why all of the sudden its the new trend to bully people on TB?

I think that's why....
Many people don't take it seriously.

Most people I play with anyway. I realize this topic is WAY bigger than my selfish views, but please, if you have 2 minutes, what is redeeming about it? The speed, aggression, anger, devil, magic, pirates,???
No pretenses...I wanna hear what I'm missing.

fenderhutz · #11 02-02-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadyVan Halen

I think that's why....
Many people don't take it seriously.

Most people I play with anyway. I realize this topic is WAY bigger than my selfish views, but please, if you have 2 minutes, what is redeeming about it? The speed, aggression, anger, devil, magic, pirates,???
No pretenses...I wanna hear what I'm missing.

You forgot Vikings.

flyingfinbar · #12 02-02-2011, 12:19 PM

...and from out of the wood work come the very people the OP is posting about.

Maybe it's the constant antagonizing that gets old? Heady, I think Van Halen is over inflated garbage. What do you find redeeming about it?

HaMMerHeD · #13 02-02-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadyVan Halen

I'll be honest with you, I don't get the growlin', scream-o stuff what so ever.
Pantera--superb
Tool--fantastic

Cradle of Filth--??
Dying Fetus---??

It's hard for me to take this type of music seriously. I can't hear any beat, any notes and that makes it sound bad in my ears.

I don't care why you or anybody else likes it or anything, my question as always been (and no one has answered it) WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT IT?

Maybe I'm missing something..

I have many of the same thoughts when I hear country music or hip-hop. I don't understand why people like it, but that doesn't make me better or smarter or more "musical" because of it. All it means is that I don't hear whatever other people hear in it. And just because I (and by extension you and anyone else really) don't hear it, that doesn't mean it isn't there.

For me, metal gives me a creative avenue with which to exhaust a lot of the things that are on my mind. I have suffered from depression for a long time. Though I was only recently diagnosed with MDD, I have felt it since I was a small child. No other type of music has ever helped me to feel like it was OK to get it out. In that way, I find metal to be a very cathartic and empowering influence. The speed, the powerful chords, the aggressive rhythms, and to a lesser extent even the barked vocals. They all create, to me at least, an atmosphere in which i feel as though I can use the anger, fear, and sadness within me that will never go away to accomplish something greater.

So why does metal do this while no other music does? I don't know. I'm just glad it's there.

Honestly I think appreciation and enthusiasm for metal is something that you either feel or you don't. I don't really think there is anything to enlighten anybody of, and I don't think there is really any convincing the skeptics that there is anything worthwhile about it. Just as many people don't know anything about what depression really is, and are really quick to pass ignorante judgement on those who suffer from it, most people will never get what metal is about and will be quick to denounce something they have no understanding of.

HeadyVan Halen · #14 02-02-2011, 12:27 PM

I don't like EVH either. I got that name because I got a head like a Watermelon and 'head' kinda works with 'Ed'..you get the picture.

Now if you were to talk about the Chili Peppers, then we got a problem..
Before you try to start pushing buttons in your fight or flight response, I'm really trying to understand WTH people get from it?

Instead of being as sensitive as 16 year old on prom night, explain what you like that you defend so quickly.

Is it the grown men in middle age get-up?
'Enlighten' me

HeadyVan Halen · #15 02-02-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HaMMerHeD

I have many of the same thoughts when I hear country music or hip-hop. I don't understand why people like it, but that doesn't make me better or smarter or more "musical" because of it. All it means is that I don't hear whatever other people hear in it. And just because I (and by extension you and anyone else really) don't hear it, that doesn't mean it isn't there.

For me, metal gives me a creative avenue with which to exhaust a lot of the things that are on my mind. I have suffered from depression for a long time. Though I was only recently diagnosed with MDD, I have felt it since I was a small child. No other type of music has ever helped me to feel like it was OK to get it out. In that way, I find metal to be a very cathartic and empowering influence. The speed, the powerful chords, the aggressive rhythms, and to a lesser extent even the barked vocals. They all create, to me at least, and atmosphere of feeling like I can use the anger, fear, and sadness within me that will never go away to accomplish something greater.

So why does metal do this while no other music does? I don't know. I'm just glad it's there.

Ok. See I can respect a response like that. I can atleast see where some of it comes from.
Cool.

fearceol · #16 02-02-2011, 12:35 PM

Guys !! You will never get anywhere arguing about "X" music is better than "Y" music. Music is music, some you like, some you dont. To each their own. What more is to be said.

fenderhutz · #17 02-02-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fearceol

Guys !! You will never get anywhere arguing about "X" music is better than "Y" music. Music is music, some you like, some you dont. To each their own. What more is to be said.

You forgot Vikings.

fearceol · #18 02-02-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

You forgot Vikings.

...and Vikings.

Happy ?

HeadyVan Halen · #19 02-02-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

You forgot Vikings.

You made me laugh out loud..for real.

sarcastro83 · #20 02-02-2011, 12:49 PM

Don't get me wrong. I love metal.

LOVE IT.

But there's just something about metalheads who take it way too seriously that is absolutely hillarious. That's the nature of obsession, dude. The lengths people will go to in order to be cool and accepted, and prove their worth so that they may feel confident in identifying themself with some kind of identity or label is hillarious when it's not borderline depressing.

Seriously... I dig it. It's a kick in the feelings when you keep reading about how someone else doesn't like what you like. It's not even your fault to feel that way! You live in a culture and society in which you are NOTHING if you're not affiliated with at least something. And that's a shame. It really is.

But seriously... how can you look at the following picture and NOT see the intrinsic hillarity in this? I mean... look at em! Absurd! And it's done with such a straight face, too!

Hell man. It's just metal. It's not the end of the world.