"Too bad it's not a real ____ "

[meatwad]

I'm at a gig awhile back filling in for the regular bassist in a nearby city. This guy comes up during our break and asks "What year is your StingRay?". I tell him it's a '99 that I bought new in 2000. He replies, "Yeah, too bad it's not a REAL StingRay like mine..."

Some time later, I'm at another gig when a different guy comes up and asks if my bass head is SS. I say, "No, it's an all tube SVT-CL" to which he replies "Oh, I knew it wasn't a REAL SVT..."

Let's see what else is on my list of fake crap I own, according to others -
1998 USA Stratocaster (it's not pre-CBS)
1983 MIJ Squier Stratocaster (take a stupid guess why, but I can also see why some would say it about this)
Taiwan-made Boss pedals (not MIJ)

***?? Is anything recent not "real" anymore? Does it absolutely have to be from the 60/70's to be "real"? Am I just prone to buying knock-offs? I would understand better if they meant "original", but it seems they are implying all my stuff is "fake".

I'm from the school of "old is usually just old", and I've had my fill of 70's SVTs and 70's Fenders. The old 'Rays have never impressed me much, they just seemed like another version of a CBS Fender. The old SVTs are fine, but no better than the Classic, IMO. I think some people feel the need to justify their vintage crazed spending habits by knocking the new stuff.

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Thanks for being there. Any thoughts or opinions on this you wanna share?

[meatwad]

BTW, who's gonna be first at calling me a troll?

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by meatwad

I'm from the school of "old is usually just old", and I've had my fill of 70's SVTs and 70's Fenders. The old 'Rays have never impressed me much, they just seemed like another version of a CBS Fender. The old SVTs are fine, but no better than the Classic, IMO. I think some people feel the need to justify their vintage crazed spending habits by knocking the new stuff.

Amen, brother, amen. Our two hearts are beating as one. Except I'd never play an Ampeg anything.

[meatwad]

I'm so happy to have met a like minded person such as yourself, Munjibunga.

I really don't care for Eden or Sadowsky.

[meatwad]

But I do want your Avalon.

[The Owl]

Originally Posted by meatwad

I'm at a gig awhile back filling in for the regular bassist in a nearby city. This guy comes up during our break and asks "What year is your StingRay?". I tell him it's a '99 that I bought new in 2000. He replies, "Yeah, too bad it's not a REAL StingRay like mine..."

Some time later, I'm at another gig when a different guy comes up and asks if my bass head is SS. I say, "No, it's an all tube SVT-CL" to which he replies "Oh, I knew it wasn't a REAL SVT..."

Let's see what else is on my list of fake crap I own, according to others -
1998 USA Stratocaster (it's not pre-CBS)
1983 MIJ Squier Stratocaster (take a stupid guess why, but I can also see why some would say it about this)
Taiwan-made Boss pedals (not MIJ)

***?? Is anything recent not "real" anymore? Does it absolutely have to be from the 60/70's to be "real"? Am I just prone to buying knock-offs? I would understand better if they meant "original", but it seems they are implying all my stuff is "fake".

I'm from the school of "old is usually just old", and I've had my fill of 70's SVTs and 70's Fenders. The old 'Rays have never impressed me much, they just seemed like another version of a CBS Fender. The old SVTs are fine, but no better than the Classic, IMO. I think some people feel the need to justify their vintage crazed spending habits by knocking the new stuff.

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Thanks for being there. Any thoughts or opinions on this you wanna share?

Well put! Gear snobs just irritate the hell out of me!

I had one time where I got chastised by someone for playing an electric bass in a jazz context, it was the classic, "electric bass is not a real instrument" sort of BS. I was really tempted to tell this know-it-all something to the effect of "Would the reality of this particular instrument become more obvious or apparent to you if I smacked you over the head with it?"

[Gard]

Originally Posted by The Owl

Well put! Gear snobs just irritate the hell out of me!

I had one time where I got chastised by someone for playing an electric bass in a jazz context, it was the classic, "electric bass is not a real instrument" sort of BS. I was really tempted to tell this know-it-all something to the effect of "Would the reality of this particular instrument become more obvious or apparent to you if I smacked you over the head with it?"

My experience with this stupidity was typically when I showed up to a jazz gig with my NS Design CR5M, and one of the horn players started hassling me about my "stick".

Yo, putz, you carried WHAT to the gig tonight?

They usually STFU after the first tune, when they realized that it sounded damn near identical to an acoustic upright with a pickup on it.

Interestingly, the rhythm section guys never said one negative thing, they WAITED to hear it, and then typically just nodded and smiled.

I despise people that listen with their eyes....

[Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by meatwad

I think some people feel the need to justify their vintage crazed spending habits by knocking the new stuff.

You tell it, brother! Read 'em from the book!!! There's nothing wrong with new gear...but there are plenty of gear snobs and people who have convinced themselves that THEIR gear is better.

[Parabolic Box]

Originally Posted by meatwad

I think some people feel the need to justify their vintage crazed spending habits by knocking the new stuff.

That about sums it up.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by The Owl

Well put! Gear snobs just irritate the hell out of me!

Oh, I'm a gear snob ... just not a vintage gear snob. It's a kind of reverse snobbery, I guess.

[Basshole]

Originally Posted by Gard

I despise people that listen with their eyes....

That's worth quoting.

[jmcgliss]

Yeah, but in all these cases YOU were onstage and the asshats were wannabes in the audience. I wonder if gear snobs ever gig with their treasures. I have no regrets selling my '69/'70 Fender Jazz since after 500 gigs between 1978-83the neck was a flexible whammy bar. Sentimental value is no replacement for what you get in a new Lakland, for example.

[peaveyuser]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Oh, I'm a gear snob ... just not a vintage gear snob. It's a kind of reverse snobbery, I guess.

Your not that bad after all you liked my Pacman bass and that thing IS a piece of crap (albeit one that can sound kind of like a upright )

[Woodchuck]

I had a guy criticize me for using solid state amps, instead of a "real" tube amp. I told him that after playing on the Billboard's #1 album's hit single, getting a gold and platinam plaque, touring the nation and world TWICE, and playing to millions of veiwers on the Later with Jools Holland Show, I think I can learn to accept my failure to get a "real" amp! Btw, how are things going with you and your tube amp, and your standing open mic gig at the tofu spot?

[dancehallclasher]

Originally Posted by Woodchuck

I had a guy criticize me for using solid state amps, instead of a "real" tube amp. I told him that after playing on the Billboard's #1 album's hit single, getting a gold and platinam plaque, touring the nation and world TWICE, and playing to millions of veiwers on the Later with Jools Holland Show, I think I can learn to accept my failure to get a "real" amp! Btw, how are things going with you and your tube amp, and your standing open mic gig at the tofu spot?

They're going awesome thank you very much, this one fat hippie chick flashed me last week...

[Baryonyx]

Buy a Fodera and take that to the gig, and then tell him to get a "real" bass!

[CopiusX]

Well, since your fake Stingray is obviously completely worthless, I'd assume you won't have any problems sending it my way. I'll even pay shipping


But yeah, I've never really had the opportunity to play any vintage gear, so I don't really know what all the hubbub is about. I think it's because people assume that if they play a 40 year old piece of wood, they'll sound like all their bass heroes did 40 years ago...

[Audiophage]

I'm willing to bet that if you hadn't told them the details about your equipment they wouldn't have been able to tell the difference.

[tomvelsor]

too bad you dont have a REAL stingray like that guy..


too bad that guys an idiot.

[Marcury]

Real players worry about the notes they're producing not the years their equipment was produced.