Very disappointing when TBers try to make more than they should on a sale

[JEDI BASS]

I have typed out several responses, only to delete them.... not worth it! Some people just don't get it .

I will always buy low and sell high if I can.... because my momma didn't raise a dummy! I don't buy to flip, but I also don't pass up awesome deals on gear that I may not use. Be honest as a seller and everyone will be happy. 200 plus music gear transactions on multiple sites w/ 100% positive feedback, and I've made money on over 90% of my transactions. It's karma.

If you need somebody to villainize, attack pawnshops.

[SolarMan]

It sure as heck isn't Karma - man, can we make a TB rule? Please?

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It has to do with personality and behavior traits. Some people are naturally and genuinely very giving and quickly adopt a feeling of "community" in a forum like this. Even if they know they could cut a better deal for themselves, they don't. That is entirely on them and, while I agree with the OP, I don't think it makes sense to complain about it.

I am one of those that knows I could get more, but don't. On purpose. Why would I do that? Because I like the feeling of giving a good deal to someone who seems to be a standup guy. It is like a feeling of being brothers. I don't even think about the money.

( I do strongly agree that this is not a luxury that everyone can afford, but still you see folks with not too much selling something for a great bargain to someone who is very well off. Then you can tell me: "That is why the rich guy is rich and the poor guy is poor!" - but that ain't always the truth.)

When I saw something I sold here get resold for the exact same fantastic price I gave, I told my TB "brother" that I was proud of him. And he is a standup guy. Then the guy that he sold it to sold it for more. Now; I knew I could have asked and gotten more, and so did the dude I sold it to. So, what is up with the third guy?

Not our business, but I sure as heck ain't "proud" of him. And he thinks that he is smart and we are stupid (I ASSume).

Go figure.

[Indiana Mike]

A seller can ask what he wants .

A buyer can say no

What grinds my gears is poor communication after the sale ,slow shipping ,product not as described as in flaws or issues.

[JEDI BASS]

It is karma. I'm the "guy" that finds wallets and returns them... gives back the extra hundred that the teller gave me at the bank etc etc.... And I spend more at Christmas on charities than I do on gifts for family. Not blowing my own horn, but you don't know me.

But I won't contribute to lowering market value on gear from respected craftsmen, artists etc.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by JEDI BASS

....If you need somebody to villainize, attack pawnshops.

and yet...they provide a useful service.

i haven't noticed pawn shop owners dragging people off the street and either forcing them at gunpoint to pawn gear or to buy it.

why attack ANY business that's trying to get by. if you don't like their deals, don't pawn gear or buy it.

[mjac28]

Originally Posted by SolarMan

"It has to do with personality and behavior traits".


"I am one of those that knows I could get more, but don't. On purpose. Why would I do that?"


" I do strongly agree that this is not a luxury that everyone can afford, but still you see folks with not too much selling something for a great bargain to someone who is very well off. Then you can tell me: "That is why the rich guy is rich and the poor guy is poor!" - but that ain't always the truth."

"When I saw something I sold here get resold for the exact same fantastic price I gave, I told my TB "brother" that I was proud of him. And he is a standup guy. Then the guy that he sold it to sold it for more. Now; I knew I could have asked and gotten more, and so did the dude I sold it to. So, what is up with the third guy?"

"Not our business, but I sure as heck ain't "proud" of him. And he thinks that he is smart and we are stupid (I ASSume)."

Go figure.

Very interesting points and no that guy doesn't think you're stupid he just doesn't give a @*&% what you think.....brother.

[JEDI BASS]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

and yet...they provide a useful service.

i haven't noticed pawn shop owners dragging people off the street and either forcing them at gunpoint to pawn gear or to buy it.

why attack ANY business that's trying to get by. if you don't like their deals, don't pawn gear or buy it.

I agree , I'm all for capitalism. I was just saying... if they wanna attack someone for buying low and selling high... gripe about pawnshops.

[SolarMan]

Originally Posted by JEDI BASS

It is karma. I'm the "guy" that finds wallets and returns them... gives back the extra hundred that the teller gave me at the bank etc etc.... And I spend more at Christmas on charities than I do on gifts for family. Not blowing my own horn, but you don't know me.

But I won't contribute to lowering market value on gear from respected craftsmen, artists etc.

I know it looks like I was picking on you for the Karma thing, and I am, but it is all over TB and maybe I'll start a poll thread on TB, because I know that many here are sick of it.

And you don't know me...so let's not make this personal.

If you want my horn blowing, PM me.

But I won't contribute to lowering market value on gear from respected craftsmen, artists etc.[/

But you will take advantage if given the chance?

My best friend on planet earth is the most shrewd businessman you will ever meet. He doesn't pay full price for anything, anywhere. He will get a deal in stores and for products that have a license to only sell for MSRP or else.

I am exactly the opposite and yet we are both successful and best friends.

Much more complicated than "it's Karma"

[mjac28]

Originally Posted by SolarMan

I know it looks like I was picking on you for the Karma thing, and I am, but it is all over TB and maybe I'll start a poll thread on TB, because I know that many here are sick of it.

And you don't know me...so let's not make this personal.

If you want my horn blowing, PM me.



But you will take advantage if given the chance?

My best friend on planet earth is the most shrewd businessman you will ever meet. He doesn't pay full price for anything, anywhere. He will get a deal in stores and for products that have a license to only sell for MSRP or else.

I am exactly the opposite and yet we are both successful and best friends.

Much more complicated than "it's Karma"

But wait according to your logic that "best friend in the world" is not a stand up guy? he's how did you put it a shrewd business man? if he's buying low then selling low he's not a very good businessman and you say the guy here is a POS for doing the same thing? I'm done here.

[JEDI BASS]

Originally Posted by SolarMan

I know it looks like I was picking on you for the Karma thing, and I am, but it is all over TB and maybe I'll start a poll thread on TB, because I know that many here are sick of it.

And you don't know me...so let's not make this personal.

If you want my horn blowing, PM me.



But you will take advantage if given the chance?

My best friend on planet earth is the most shrewd businessman you will ever meet. He doesn't pay full price for anything, anywhere. He will get a deal in stores and for products that have a license to only sell for MSRP or else.

I am exactly the opposite and yet we are both successful and best friends.

Much more complicated than "it's Karma"

It's cool. I didn't take it as a personal attack. I haven't been on TB much at all over the last year and haven't seen any karma talk. All I know is that good things happen to me and I pass it on by doing good for others.... thus the (once again) 200 plus transactions w/ 100% positive feedback. I do NOT "take advantage" of anyone though. That is offensive... if you meant it that way. If someone offers a great deal, I won't ask for anything but a paypal address and, like I said, I'll often surprise them by covering paypal fees or adding money for shipping costs. If someone happily pays more for that gear later, then no one was harmed or taken advantage of, no sin was committed.

I was raised in poverty, my whole family was, and we became successful through education, hard work, smart investments, etc.

[Big B.]

What a bizarre thread. Perhaps if playing bass is simply a hobby for enjoyment then I could see where the idea of "brotherhood" could come into play but for many people these are business decisions as well. When I buy a piece of gear its a cost/benefit situation. I deal with the same scenario buying woodworking tools. The sooner I can use a tool/instrument to pay for itself the sooner it begins making me money. When I shop for items I take the time to research thoroughly and find the best deal possible. There have been emergency or last minute situations where I may have to make a purchase out of necessity instead of good judgement and thats when you get burned, but you get the item you need. Its your own responsibility to be accountable for researching where you spend your money.

And for what its worth TB has so far been the most ethical and respectable place I've ever bought gear. I've bought and sold some great, really clean gear to some really nice guys with way less hassle than buying from a retailer. Both side have always gotten what we wanted and both sides have always left the table happy.

[henry2513]

I'm not trying to make profit on anything I'm selling but I'm sure as heck not going to take a bath on it either.

[SolarMan]

Originally Posted by mjac28

But wait according to your logic that "best friend in the world" is not a stand up guy? he's how did you put it a shrewd business man? if he's buying low then selling low he's not a very good businessman and you say the guy here is a POS for doing the same thing? I'm done here.

So, it went from "brother" to "I'm done".

I didn't say how my best friend in the world sells things - he doesn't.

He gives them away.

Still, he won't buy for a "fair" deal.

All I am trying to say is that each person has their own centrism. They don't "feel" how people like you or me feel. And there is no way to explain it to them unless they have a great understanding and capacity for empathy.

So, yes, you and I are brothers, and you are not done.

[SolarMan]

Originally Posted by JEDI BASS

It's cool. I didn't take it as a personal attack. I haven't been on TB much at all over the last year and haven't seen any karma talk. All I know is that good things happen to me and I pass it on by doing good for others.... thus the (once again) 200 plus transactions w/ 100% positive feedback. I do NOT "take advantage" of anyone though. That is offensive... if you meant it that way. If someone offers a great deal, I won't ask for anything but a paypal address and, like I said, I'll often surprise them by covering paypal fees or adding money for shipping costs. If someone happily pays more for that gear later, then no one was harmed or taken advantage of, no sin was committed.

I was raised in poverty, my whole family was, and we became successful through education, hard work, smart investments, etc.

I agree with you 100%

Like I said, it is personal choice. If the seller has bad feelings later, they need to rethink their behavior.

I don't think that people that buy low and sell high are not "stand up" people, but I can see how I implied that earlier.

Really though, this is a complicated issue that seems so "Black and White" to each individual person.

Each to their own, and if "you" have bad feelings either way, you need to check yourself. (saying that to everyone - and not to anyone in particular)

Good kind people are just that now matter how they deal in business. Business is business and shoud never be taken personally.

[JEDI BASS]

Originally Posted by SolarMan

My best friend on planet earth is the most shrewd businessman you will ever meet. He doesn't pay full price for anything, anywhere.

Originally Posted by SolarMan

Still, he won't buy for a "fair" deal.

BTW, your friend realizes that full price is in many cases 2 or 3 times what the retailer/vendor has invested in the product. I assure you that your shrewd businessman is paying a fair price and the seller is making money off your friend or he wouldn't stay in business for long. Win-win scenario.

[4dog]

Something,, anything is only worth,,,,,,, what someone will pay for it,,, up to the buyer to decide,,, seller sets price,, buyer decides if price is fair,,,, free market.

[Phil Smith]

Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

I get a stupid amount of great deals and I don't lowball. I know people say it never hurts to ask but I still won't do it. I will ask how much will they take. Strangely enough quite often they come back with a lowball answer, far lower than what I would've offered.

This has been my experience as well, I ask what's the least they will take and will often get an answer lower than what I was willing to pay.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by SolarMan

What I don't like is...

"I'm selling it for the exact price paid, I'm just adding $25.00 to cover my shipping."

Then, you AREN"T selling it for the exact same price!

Wrong. He could say, "I'll sell it to you for the exact same price. You pay the shipping." Why should he take a loss to benefit you? Why does he owe you a favor? The easy solution to all of this is, if you don't like the price, don't buy it.

If someone buys a piece of gear for, say, half of the going rate, why shouldn't he resell it for the going rate?

[Munjibunga]

I have a Fender Roscoe Beck V that I bought used at GC in Peoria, Arizona. It was marked at $1,000. I paid $700 for it. If I were to sell it, I'd ask $1,000 and take $900, but not a penny less, either here or on Craigslist. If someone offered the $1,000, I'd gladly accept it. And I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep over it. (No, the RBV is not for sale.) The value of the bass lies in what someone will pay for it. Assuming $900 to be a fair price for that bass, everybody makes out well.

Most of what I've sold here on TB has been priced lower than what I payed for it, but not everything. If you're interested in seeing how people feel about dealing with me, go into my profile and check my feedback comments.

[onosson]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

I have a Fender Roscoe Beck V that I bought used at GC in Peoria, Arizona. It was marked at $1,000. I paid $700 for it. If I were to sell it, I'd ask $1,000 and take $900, but not a penny less, either here or on Craigslist. If someone offered the $1,000, I'd gladly accept it. And I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep over it. (No, the RBV is not for sale.)