What's the point of "musicianship"? - Page 2

**mjac28** · #21 01-29-2013, 12:04 PM

I apologize what was the question again?

Big Brother · #22 01-29-2013, 12:15 PM

I ran it through Google Translator and came up with this:

"Why should I bother to try improving my musical abilities when they often aren't appreciated or even recognized by an audience. After pouring years into my craft, it is painful to watch over-the-top stage acts with little musical talent captivate them."

That service just gets better and better.

mcblahflooper94 · #23 01-29-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkMgibson

I'm a tad lost on what the OP is talking about. If you're talking about good musicians who play boring music that nobody really likes, then I tend to agree with you. Still, I was invited to Tamworth years ago, which is Australia's big country music festival. While I'm not a country music fan at all, I was extremely impressed by the "musicianship" of most of the players.

This, but not "boring", just any music a general average crowd won't enjoy. I guess my bandmates defines musicianship as a sort of sportsmanship, and that you have to support the next act and the acts before you. What I was ranting about was questioning the point if you're not enjoying yourself, then why seem entertained from a band? It'd be you just lying. I've been encountering a lot of screamo/death metal bands, as well as pop punk bands that I don't enjoy. I can tell if they're good at what they do, but the music and the experience doesn't entertain me, so why should I, the consumer, claim to enjoy a product? I suppose I sound very snobbish, but it's nothing personal to the people, I just don't like their music, and I think the band would understand. I would. Maybe we're the only band that does this.

MarkMgibson · #24 01-30-2013, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mcblahflooper94

This, but not "boring", just any music a general average crowd won't enjoy. I guess my bandmates defines musicianship as a sort of sportsmanship, and that you have to support the next act and the acts before you. What I was ranting about was questioning the point if you're not enjoying yourself, then why seem entertained from a band? It'd be you just lying. I've been encountering a lot of screamo/death metal bands, as well as pop punk bands that I don't enjoy. I can tell if they're good at what they do, but the music and the experience doesn't entertain me, so why should I, the consumer, claim to enjoy a product? I suppose I sound very snobbish, but it's nothing personal to the people, I just don't like their music, and I think the band would understand. I would. Maybe we're the only band that does this.

That sort of music does nothing for me either. I prefer some music in my music (if you know what I mean). Each to their own though.

Munjibunga · #25 01-30-2013, 02:08 AM

Are you trying to say if I go hear a band and like them, I should go to every one of their shows or I'm hypocitical and greedy? I don't think you know the definition of musicianship. You can have the best musicianship in the world and not give a rat's ass about supporting the next band up.

One Drop · #26 01-30-2013, 02:42 AM

I'm sorry but I still have no idea what the OP is trying to communicate.

**mjac28** · #27 01-30-2013, 02:58 AM

I don't get the whole let's support each other stay and see every act on stage that night good or bad thing? Because if given the opportunity you all would stab each others eyes out to get a record deal and if a band doesn't take the time to practice and get better before they hit the stage they don't deserve an audience.

mellowinman · #28 01-30-2013, 05:51 AM

For me, Musicianship is that rare quality that results when shaving a biscuit. You can shave carbohydrates in any key of the rainbow, and still end up wishing a Yak for. That's what makes life syncopated.

Frank Tuesday · #29 01-30-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mcblahflooper94

This, but not "boring", just any music a general average crowd won't enjoy. I guess my bandmates defines musicianship as a sort of sportsmanship, and that you have to support the next act and the acts before you. What I was ranting about was questioning the point if you're not enjoying yourself, then why seem entertained from a band? It'd be you just lying. I've been encountering a lot of screamo/death metal bands, as well as pop punk bands that I don't enjoy. I can tell if they're good at what they do, but the music and the experience doesn't entertain me, so why should I, the consumer, claim to enjoy a product? I suppose I sound very snobbish, but it's nothing personal to the people, I just don't like their music, and I think the band would understand. I would. Maybe we're the only band that does this.

Don't claim to enjoy it. If you can tell that they are good at what they do, comment accordingly. If some came up to you after a show and said, "Man, you guys were tight tonight!", are you going to respond by asking if they liked it?

I can only think of a couple bands I have seen for which I could think of nothing positive to say. Fotunately I wasn't sharing a bill with them. It is inevitable that you will have to speak with the bands you play with. You had best be able to offer positive feedback without lying, or you'll soon find yourself with a lack of bands wanting to play with you.

El-Bob · #30 01-30-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mellowinman

For me, Musicianship is that rare quality that results when shaving a biscuit. You can shave carbohydrates in any key of the rainbow, and still end up wishing a Yak for. That's what makes life syncopated.

This makes more sense than the OP.

HeavyJazz77 · #31 01-30-2013, 09:14 AM

I have to presume you've either begun dating a person whose appetite for image eclipses that of having substance or you've just experienced your first Lady Gaga gig.

HeadyVan Halen · #32 01-30-2013, 09:23 AM

What you do at home or in a small club is music.
What they do on TV and Radio is Music Business.

Never, ever confuse the two.
Save you alot of heartache down the road.

Business Plan:
1. Find good looking girl.
2. Tell her how good she is. She likes it, invites you to play bass in her band.
3. She sells alot of albums.
4. You've now become....good

Munjibunga · #33 01-30-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mellowinman

For me, Musicianship is that rare quality that results when shaving a biscuit. You can shave carbohydrates in any key of the rainbow, and still end up wishing a Yak for. That's what makes life syncopated.

Thanks for clearing that up.

MarkMgibson · #34 01-30-2013, 04:05 PM

I actually have no idea what this thread is about.

Biggbass · #35 01-30-2013, 04:10 PM

I don't know of anyone who will tolerate being somewhere they don't want to be, listening to music they don't like. My wife and I went out to eat a few weeks ago and the restaurant had a blues band. The food was okay...burgers, chicken fried steak, ceasar salad, and such...and by the time the band had finished their 5th or 6th tune my wife said she was ready to go. She said she had heard everything the band could do....fast shuffle, med shuffle, slow blues, 12 bar blues...and they were just repeating the same stuff with different lyrics. So we left. She was right, BTW.

Bert Slide · #36 01-30-2013, 04:11 PM

When the musician ship hits an iceberg and they run out of lifeboats I will have no fear since my DB floats. Probably room on board for at least one damsel in distress too!

**mjac28** · #37 01-30-2013, 08:57 PM

Gentletrolls start your engines

Clef_de_fa · #38 01-30-2013, 09:13 PM

To me musicianship is declining in a slow painful death. Few people are really good now ... they only play the root and it is good enough ... it is sad when musicianship and talent was so high a centurie ago ...

the real problem is marketing ... you can be the worst musician ever but still make million just because you have great marketing tactics ... People with real musical talent aren't great at marketing and stay in the dark of the brain washed mainstream who thing they listen to some art when in fact it is no better than McDonals.

SJan3 · #39 01-30-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RhynoRock

I personally kiss a lot of @$$ at shows because it's good for the local scene. My bandmates do too. If you show support for a group, regardless of what you think of their tunes, it'll increase the likelyhood that you'll have one of many buddy bands to swap shows with, and that starts to spread around. If bands in a local or even regional scene support one another over just leaving when their set is done, it helps get everyone more recognition, gets more people to come to the shows, and bands can start getting paid.

Start getting paid?? Oh, my! Sounds like a prostitute. Listen, if you're providing entertainment for some blow bag club owner and not getting paid, you are hurting everyone.
Stop giving away your services. This aggravates me to no end!

MarkMgibson · #40 01-30-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SJan3

Start getting paid?? Oh, my! Sounds like a prostitute. Listen, if you're providing entertainment for some blow bag club owner and not getting paid, you are hurting everyone.
Stop giving away your services. This aggravates me to no end!

True - don't play for free. It does every one of us a disservice.