When your favorite band/s lost it

[jmattbassplaya]

Originally Posted by Tituscrow

I saw them on three separate nights on the last tour over here and I have to tell you, they absolutely slayed every night. Jerry was cool and good-humoured with the crowd and DuVall didn't stop smiling once. There was a lot of love for the new singer and I think he was grateful that each packed house had warmed to him so readily after take on such a mammoth task. And as for the classics? Well, the roof came off when he launched into those Staley classics.

I was skeptical about whether he'd cut it after being such a huge AIC fan for so long, but I think he's great.

I guess I see the current band as the new AIC, rather than AIC with a different singer, if that makes sense?

I know what you mean about Jerrys vocals though...he seems to be more of a joint-lead singer, rather than back-up singer...but that doesn't bother me. As a band, they sound great, and I just don't compare them to the old band.

Actually, I think I know what it is...I have realised that whilst Staley was alive, I was sucked into thinking it was his band because his vocals were so awesome. But his passing has made me realise that it was actually Cantrells songwriting that was the dark, seductive hook that grabbed me, and I didn't dawn on me until recently when I realised how much I still love this band. I'm not sure AIC could have continued had Jerry died and not Layne?

Oh, and I was fortunate enough to see Layne sing 'Rooster', but it wasnt as good as the job DuVall did

Nah. Like I said, I really do like DuVall. I've seen then twice myself and he nailed the old tunes each time, and he did it in a way that could captured Layne's essence and tone without sounding like a cheap knockoff. My issue really is with Jerry taking over lead/co-lead vocals.

And I disagree that it was Jerry's hooks. At least for myself, I think Jerry is a fantastic writer and arranger in his own right, but the band's signature sound is Layne's vocal harmonies. Jerry even said in an interview that Layne was the one who started doing it. My question is would AIC have become popular if Layne wasn't in the band in the beginning? No doubt, however, that AIC couldn't had continued if Jerry died; he writes most of the stuff.

[lizardwizard28]

I think i generally lose interest in a band before they "lose it". I dont obsessively listen to them anymore. I'm always looking for something new, just to here the ideas being put out. I will say that anything Mike Patton comes out with usually piques my interest

[markkoelsch]

As a long time Rush fan I think they lost it with Clockwork Angels. I have tried again and again to listen to it, and I just do not like it. Like many Rush fans I liked the fact that they always seemed to be trying something a little new- changing and evolving while still being Rush. Well, I think Clockwork Angels is simply a rehashing of quite a few old ideas. It sounds tired and uninspired to me.

It is actually the first time that I admitted to some of my friends that if this is what they have left in the tank it might be time to hang it up.

[Cody Stanley]

Arch Enemy, latest album, "Khaos Legions"

[Tituscrow]

Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

Nah. Like I said, I really do like DuVall. I've seen then twice myself and he nailed the old tunes each time, and he did it in a way that could captured Layne's essence and tone without sounding like a cheap knockoff. My issue really is with Jerry taking over lead/co-lead vocals.

And I disagree that it was Jerry's hooks. At least for myself, I think Jerry is a fantastic writer and arranger in his own right, but the band's signature sound is Layne's vocal harmonies. Jerry even said in an interview that Layne was the one who started doing it. My question is would AIC have become popular if Layne wasn't in the band in the beginning? No doubt, however, that AIC couldn't had continued if Jerry died; he writes most of the stuff.

I think we sort of agree for the most part. Whilst Layne's vocals were the unmistakeable trademark sound for the band, I actually think it is Jerrys harmonies that put the icing on the cake.

[LiquidMidnight]

Originally Posted by dalahorse

Haven't read the whole thread. But I have to add Queensryche after Empire. What the heck happened? The band still rocks! But what happened to the lyrics and singing?

I think I'm one of the few people on Earth who really digs Hear in the Now Frontier. Ironically enough, I was never nuts about Operation Mindcrime.

[LiquidMidnight]

Originally Posted by bass_lord_mutha

Surprised this band hasn't been mentioned yet, but I'm sad to say that I think 311 has been on the decline since Soundsystem (though Uplifter a few years back was a damn good album). I could play any album from Music to the Blue Album to Soundsystem and jam out the entire time (Grassroots and Transistor are still my faves), then starting with From Chaos the intensity and quality of writing is just more watered down for me. I'll still always be a fan, but I hope they can pick it back up soon...

I think 311 almost typecasted themselves into their own sound. They have a very unique sound. I honestly can't think of any band that sounds like 311. But I also think that's their Achilles' Heel: Their stuff starts to sound the same, album after album.

[lokikallas]

Incubus was great until they realized chick songs make them money, crazy metal funk songs do not.

[Mr L]

Don't know if it's been said yet but:

Weezer went downhill so fast after Pinkerton, regained it for a bit with the Red album but have successfully gone deeper than ever before with their newer stuff.

Also as a longtime fan of Muse, they died after the resistance. I was so stoked for 2nd Law... but it's just so bad i can't ugh... Makes me sad, especially since "Madness" is played every other song on the radio. I mean like THEY HAVE OTHER SONGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOOD! PLAY SOME OF THEM!

[LeoSash]

For me, dream theater.

I loved that band and it was one of the reasons i started playing bass, but Black clouds and the new one just are blah (minus the count of tuscany which i personally find to be one of their best songs). Sure they've had some flops (falling into infinity) but this just seems like they're trying to sound similiar to images and words.

[Solarmist]

Def Leppard - Hysteria

[Personatech]

Originally Posted by dougazbass

Try to imagine the Beach Boys as new and no one had heard of them before. They were amazing for thier time. Even hard for me to recall that feeling.

Pink Floyd...Dark Side was so amazing in its time setting that if you were there then you might see how it was tough to top it. So any thing after it was great but not Dark Side...

I agree with your comment re: Beach Boys - by "becoming a nostalgia act" I was referring to the mid-70s. Obviously, they were great through the 1960s and past the Sunflower/Friends era.

As far as PF is concerned, they regained some mojo beginning with DSOTM but with a decidedly different vibe. Gone was the whimsy and playfulness of Barrett. As far as I'm concerned, they never regained what they once had. That doesn't mean that what they did subsequently with Waters and Gilmour wasn't worthwhile, though.

[dls59]

Styx after The Grand Illusion

[Ezmar]

Rush has been mentioned a couple times, which just illustrates something about Rush. They can lose some people, at different times, and for different reasons, but they still have plenty of people who like what they do, including themselves, so they keep at it.

I'm sure this is true for most bands, but Rush is kind of my band, so you know, talk about what you know, they say.

[mjac28]

Rush after Signals
Parliament after The Motor Booty Afair
Coldplay after A Rush of Blood to the Head

[FilterFunk]

Originally Posted by mjac28

Parliament after The Motor Booty Afair

I partially agree with this. "Gloryhallastoopid" was inconsistent, but it has some killer moments. "Trombipulation" is where they fell off the beam, IMO.

[bassistjoe93]

Originally Posted by mjac28

Coldplay after A Rush of Blood to the Head

Thank you! Everyone I know talks about Mylo Xyloto being Coldplay's "Sgt. Pepper's." I hand them a copy of Rush of Blood or Parachutes and tell them to rethink that.

[Thrill-House]

Judas Priest - they are still pretty good, but it has become obvious that Rob Halford is losing his famous voice and vocal range. They just now started playing "Blood Red Skies", a very vocally-challenging song from Ram It Down, and sadly, its too late. Rob just cant deliver it with the same intensity as he did on the album or if he had sang it even just 10 years ago. I dont really blame Rob though, aging takes it toll on everyone.

Queensryche - Every member was awesome in their role right up until Promised Land. PL actually wasnt that bad, but was very different, and was sort of the "cut-off point" for the band. Everything afterwards has been completely forgettable, and sometimes even cringe-worthy. I suspect Geoff Tate had much to do with it, as the change in music coincided with the departure of Chris DeGarmo, and i sense Tate took full control afterward.

[Thrill-House]

Originally Posted by Aasmund

AC/DC after "Highway to Hell" (they had something after, but they lost a lot of it with Ben Scott)

This seems to be a very common opinion among ACDC fans, and while i admit i not old enough to have listened to ACDC throughout their career, it dumbfounds me. To me, ACDC is one of the few lucky bands to continue to be very successful after replacing their singer, especially when original singer had such a recognizable voice. Combined with the fact that Back in Black is one of the best selling albums of all time... i just dont understand.

[Exit1242]

I would say Shinedown after us and them album, they changed members and sound. IMO the sound of madness album is the worst album they have and could have put out. Definitely lost their edge. Seen them live during leave a whisper and us and them tours and at that time amazing band with amazing stage presence but now just sucked up in pop rock nastiness. So mainstream makes me sick ha.