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Old 09-13-2006, 06:43 PM
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Where to start for a record player (phonograph).

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I'm new to vinyl, and am interested in getting my first record player (that works). I have a couple valuable records that I don't want to mess up, so I don't want to go super cheap. I know these things can get extremely expensive. Optimally, I'd like to spend around $100-$200. Can you guys point me in a good direction? I have a great receiver with a "phonograph" input. This means I don't need an extra phonograph amp, right? Any help/input is apreciated.

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Old 09-13-2006, 06:54 PM
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Old 09-13-2006, 06:57 PM
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Actually, I've heard of a few people having luck finding parts for their old turntables and even buying decent ones HERE.
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i bought a new SONY record player last year for $100 and it works great. Just make sure it's got stereo plugs out so you can connect it to your computer and burn records to mp3s. you can save TONS of money doing this. records are crazy cheap.
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This would be a good place to mention the program Gramofile, free software for Linux that helps you convert your vinyl records to WAV / mp3 by semi-automatically splitting tracks and applying Dolby noise reduction (i.e. remove hiss/pop).

As far as record players, I have a NAD 533 turntable with a Goldring Elektra cartridge, and it is very good for the price. No money was wasted on features that do not aid in faithful audio reproduction.

Unfortunately, NAD seems to have discontinued this model, however there is what I believe to be an identical model under the Goldring brand (I think the NAD model was rebadged):
http://store.acousticsounds.com/brow...16045&section=

Now, that sucker is $425, which I know is higher than what you're shooting for. I really can't remember what I paid for mine. If you can manage a little more, I would recommend this table.

That same website has a cheaper decent-looking model for $300. And just so that price will seem more reasonable to you, check out their $38,000 model.

Do some research, look around, read reviews. Good luck!

Regarding your receiver:
You will not need an additional amp. At the price range you are looking at, almost every record player you find will use a cartridge (the thingy with the needle) of the "moving-magnet" design, which tend to have a higher output (and supposedly less-elite sound quality) than the "moving-coil" design. If you get up to the $2000 range (where I long to go), you might want to start looking for a turntable-specific amplifier.

You will not regret vinyl. It rules!

Oh yeah....
If you are buying for listening purposes, try to stay away from direct-drive models. Those are made for DJs (and frankly, are what you are mostly likely to find for sale in a lot of stores). Look for a belt-drive model. This helps isolate the motor noise from being picked up through the needle.

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Since you mentioned wanting to avoid damaging your valuable records, MAKE SURE you properly adjust the tonearm pressure. There should be a counterweight on the tonearm that affects how hard the needle pushes down on the record. You want it pushing down hard enough that it doesn't skip, but not so hard that you accelerate record-wear. There will be a procedure to do this that comes with your turntable. The pressure is typically measured in grams, and your cartridge should list a number that it performs ideally at (say, 3.5 to 4.5 grams).
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Thanks for the input! I am looking for something to listen to, I'm starting to think digital audio is not for me. Based on what I've read here and online, I'll probably wind up spending more than I had originally intended. I'll let you guys know what I decide on.
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If you're looking new, you can't do better than Technics in that price rance as far as I'm concerned. I would recommend this specific model, the SL-BD20D
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If you are buying for listening purposes, try to stay away from direct-drive models. Those are made for DJs (and frankly, are what you are mostly likely to find for sale in a lot of stores). Look for a belt-drive model. This helps isolate the motor noise from being picked up through the needle.
There are plenty of hifi direct drive turntables. Frankly the surface noise on LP records is so much louder than the nominal amount of motor noise from a direct drive that this is more of a theoretical preference than a practical one. Direct drive tables don't need belt replacement, that's a big advantage as far as I'm concerned. I never replaced most of my vinyl with CD, so I still spin records regularly. They sound terriffic. Don't worry about the difference, both direct drive and belt drive work fine. If you get belt drive you'll have to reaplce the belt down the road. It's a very minor problem thanks to places like "Needle Express" and "Needle Doctor" and the continuing popularity of vinyl.
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Since you mentioned wanting to avoid damaging your valuable records, MAKE SURE you properly adjust the tonearm pressure.
For this reason I strongly recommend the above table or another that is equipped with the "P-mount" type cartridge mounting system. P-mount is poo-pooed by the golden ear crowd, but it guarantees that your needle will never be out of alignment and never have too high or low a weight. A misaligned needle doesn't sound as good and can ruin records. I use a 12 year old P-mount Denon direct drive DP-7f turntable and it is perfect.

Pro-Ject makes some very nice turntables at around the $300 new mark. If I was shopping today that's what I would buy, but I've got hundreds of records to play already. The P-Mount Technics table I've recommended will sound very good and will not damage your records.

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do a google search for "needle doctor". great website for vinyl people.
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