Wierd TB myths

peterpalmieri · #1 06-30-2010, 02:15 PM

Just a little venting...

I find myself reading so many threads these days that just seem odd. Among them...

Neo speakers sound bad....

Light weight amps sound bad....

Wood has no effect on tone....

It's impossible to hear the difference in instrument cables....

Jaco wasn't a good bass player....

Tabs communicate more musical information then standard notation...

I realize much of this is personal opinion but in many cases my fellow bass players ignore facts and seem opposed to learning and growing as a person and a musician.

At this point I'm not sure if it's best to go on an all out assault to shoot down this stuff or maybe I should do my best to ignore it and move on with my life.

In any case it's very frustrating.

turbo chicken · #2 06-30-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

I realize much of this is personal opinion but in many cases my fellow bass players ignore facts and seem opposed to learning and growing as a person and a musician.

Live and let live...

5StringBlues · #3 06-30-2010, 02:19 PM

John Turner has heat vision.

Ignore and move on.

finalrequiem · #4 06-30-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 5StringBlues

John Turner has heat vision.

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He doesn't?!

Tommygunn · #5 06-30-2010, 02:22 PM

Fender is the best

lol haha

Relic · #6 06-30-2010, 02:22 PM

ignore it... about 90% of what people post here is personal opinion which they are very entitled to, no? Who are you or I to demand that someone change their mind on an issue? Because it disagrees with your opinion is no reason to get frustrated, just chalk it up to the ol' "variety is the spice of life" way of thinking and enjoy the forums.

Gord_oh · #7 06-30-2010, 02:25 PM

mark wilson is dreamy.

grifff · #8 06-30-2010, 02:25 PM

Just ignore it.

bongomania · #9 06-30-2010, 02:29 PM

In addition to subjective opinion, there's a question of scale. For example:

Wood certainly does affect tone, since it contributes to the vibrations picked up by the pickups. But it does not have nearly as much effect as the string construction and the electronics. Additionally, it's nearly impossible to convey accurate information about the effect of different woods, because (a) it is incredibly subtle, and (b) wood can vary so much, from one of the many varieties of rosewood/maple/ash/etc. to the next, and even from one tree to the next. So for a person trying to convey how frustrating and pointless such a discussion truly is, it's easier for them to say the wood just doesn't matter.

With the cables, it's a big ol' can of worms. Again IMO the "can't hear a difference" claims are from people who are frustrated by the exaggerations, misperceptions, misunderstandings, and falsehoods perpetrated by both sellers and devotees of high-end cables. Looking at it clinically, it's not that there can be no audible difference--it's just that the audible differences that people claim they hear are so often a figment of the imagination, that it becomes too frustrating to discuss or explain.

probasser · #10 06-30-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

In addition to subjective opinion, there's a question of scale. For example:

Wood certainly does affect tone, since it contributes to the vibrations picked up by the pickups. But it does not have nearly as much effect as the string construction and the electronics. Additionally, it's nearly impossible to convey accurate information about the effect of different woods, because (a) it is incredibly subtle, and (b) wood can vary so much, from one of the many varieties of rosewood/maple/ash/etc. to the next, and even from one tree to the next. So for a person trying to convey how frustrating and pointless such a discussion truly is, it's easier for them to say the wood just doesn't matter.

With the cables, it's a big ol' can of worms. Again IMO the "can't hear a difference" claims are from people who are frustrated by the exaggerations, misperceptions, misunderstandings, and falsehoods perpetrated by both sellers and devotees of high-end cables. Looking at it clinically, it's not that there can be no audible difference--it's just that the audible differences that people claim they hear are so often a figment of the imagination, that it becomes too frustrating to discuss or explain.

+1

synaesthesia · #11 06-30-2010, 02:34 PM

Did you really expect conformity of views, informed or uninformed, in digital forum?

**251** · #12 06-30-2010, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

Just a little venting...

I find myself reading so many threads these days that just seem odd. Among them...

Neo speakers sound bad....

Light weight amps sound bad....

Wood has no effect on tone....

It's impossible to hear the difference in instrument cables....

Jaco wasn't a good bass player....

Tabs communicate more musical information then standard notation...

I realize much of this is personal opinion but in many cases my fellow bass players ignore facts and seem opposed to learning and growing as a person and a musician.

At this point I'm not sure if it's best to go on an all out assault to shoot down this stuff or maybe I should do my best to ignore it and move on with my life.

In any case it's very frustrating.

Go for it. TB MyrthBusters (not a typo)

Make it a club & members can post their test reports to prove or disprove a Myth (Myrth?) Just keep it Bassic. MyrthBusters won't prevent those posts, it will just attract them to the mega-thread. Maybe the TB IT staff can make it possible to un-select the thread(s) from the New Posts search? That could be useful! 8-)

**251** · #13 06-30-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by synaesthesia

Did you really expect conformity of views, informed or uninformed, in digital forum?

I'd be pleased to have back the 5 minutes per session it takes to scan past the mythology, superstition & awe at the mysteriousness of the Universe, in that day's posts.

chokeslam512 · #14 06-30-2010, 02:47 PM

Biggest myth on TB:

There is, in fact, one single bass that is best for Metal.

lunarpollen · #15 06-30-2010, 02:49 PM

Tablatures communicate different information than Western standard musical notation. They are both types of notation, but comparing tabs to standard notation is like comparing fruit to carrots. In certain contexts, a specific type of tab may be more suited. In other contexts, standard notation may be more suited.

St Drogo · #16 06-30-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

Jaco wasn't a good bass player....

I think what the problem with Jaco is, is that he was a jazz player and (most) of his music takes a little while to get into; it's an aquired taste (IMO).

This, in conjunction with the fact that he is very much the quintessential bassplayer, makes him an easy target for people who like music on a shallower level (with which there's nothing wrong, btw).

Or, you just don't like him. But like him or not, it is hard to deny he is a great player.

kenfxj · #17 06-30-2010, 03:06 PM

Ducks can't fly and are the only birds with teeth.

Weird is spelled wierd.

billhilly66 · #18 06-30-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lunarpollen

Tablatures communicate different information than Western standard musical notation. They are both types of notation, but comparing tabs to standard notation is like comparing fruit to carrots. In certain contexts, a specific type of tab may be more suited. In other contexts, standard notation may be more suited.

Well, tabs are certainly more suited to people who can't read standard notation.

PhatBasstard · #19 06-30-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by synaesthesia

Did you really expect conformity of views, informed or uninformed, in digital forum?

Analog forums sound better.

THand · #20 06-30-2010, 03:21 PM

That brand "X" is ......"built like a tank!"

mmm...no & if it was, that wouldn't be a selling point unless I am looking to build a military.

The second a review says something is "built like a tank", I dismiss the reviewer and his opinions.