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06-03-2006, 11:33 AM
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i have listened to zz top for alot of years. now that im playin bass i have come to realize that dusty hills bass lines are almost nothin. very simple yet effective. dont get me wrong but is there anything easier than a zz bassline?
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06-03-2006, 11:42 AM
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As for good ZZ basslines...
I heard it on the X
Nasty Dogs & Funky Kings
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06-03-2006, 01:00 PM
|  | Yeah, I'm a guy! Moderator | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Marana, AZ, USA | | Just because a bassline is simple doesn't mean that it's not a killer bassline. Some of the greatest and most recognizable lines are really simple. Pink Floyd's Money, Queen's Another One Bites the Dust, and Ozzy's No More Tears come to mind.
I have found that, for me, simple basslines work the best. Not because I can't handle more complex lines but because I can feel the groove better. Why over play when you don't have to?
Bassist like Dusty Hill, Cliff Williams (AC/DC), Stu Cook (CCR), Gene Simmons (KISS), Ian Hill (Judas Priest), Tim Commerford (RATM, Audioslave), etc... they all keep it pretty simple and it works.  |
06-03-2006, 04:27 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: under a palm tree sippin pepsi | | | i agree mr lee. ian hill is as about simplistic as can be. still love the priest though, as well as all the bands and songs you mentioned. why over play. i reckon thats what i really wanted know.
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06-03-2006, 04:45 PM
|  | I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize! | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada | | | If you want to get them up on the dance floor, play ZZ Top's Sharp Dressed Man. That repetitive quarter note bass line just gets people dancing.
Now when we played it the bass was way more out in front than in the original. |
06-03-2006, 07:29 PM
|  | Hip No Ties | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY | | | If you listen to ZZ Top's La Grange, I think you'll find that the main thing that makes that tune work, at least during the verse, is the tension of the syncopated guitar part played against the straight bassline. Very simple. Very effective...
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06-03-2006, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticMichael If you listen to ZZ Top's La Grange, I think you'll find that the main thing that makes that tune work, at least during the verse, is the tension of the syncopated guitar part played against the straight bassline. Very simple. Very effective...
MM | Agreed. When the guitar is playing that part, I always played straight. When the guitar started soloing I would play the syncopated part. |
06-03-2006, 08:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: under a palm tree sippin pepsi | | | i think i know what you mean but could you explain straight and syncopated. thank you. great song.
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06-03-2006, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mike phillips i think i know what you mean but could you explain straight and syncopated. thank you. great song. | Straight in this case is a straight eigths rhythm. The bass plays two notes per beat, every beat.
Syncopation is when you accent off beats. For example, most rock accents the 1 and 3 beats. Accenting the 2 and 4 is simplest form of syncopation.
In the La Grange example the guitar accents the 1 but then accents the second part of the beat rather than the beat itself. Gives it a very driving beat.
I am sure somebody will explain it better. |
06-03-2006, 08:53 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: under a palm tree sippin pepsi | | | so much to learn. why did i start playin at 42? so much experiance here. i wish i was part of it.
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06-03-2006, 10:46 PM
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06-03-2006, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mike phillips so much to learn. why did i start playin at 42? so much experiance here. i wish i was part of it. | Better late than never! |
06-04-2006, 07:34 AM
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06-04-2006, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelly Lee Just because a bassline is simple doesn't mean that it's not a killer bassline. Some of the greatest and most recognizable lines are really simple. Pink Floyd's Money, Queen's Another One Bites the Dust, and Ozzy's No More Tears come to mind.
I have found that, for me, simple basslines work the best. Not because I can't handle more complex lines but because I can feel the groove better. Why over play when you don't have to?
Bassist like Dusty Hill, Cliff Williams (AC/DC), Stu Cook (CCR), Gene Simmons (KISS), Ian Hill (Judas Priest), Tim Commerford (RATM, Audioslave), etc... they all keep it pretty simple and it works. | I don't know just me but I wouldn't put Money on that list.
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06-04-2006, 10:11 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: under a palm tree sippin pepsi | | | the bassline in money is pretty simple. i learned it after only 4 months of playing. yes there are some changes in it but nothin to complicated.
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06-04-2006, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mike phillips so much to learn. why did i start playin at 42? so much experiance here. i wish i was part of it. | You're part of it now!  Enjoy the ride!
P.S. Nasty Dogs and Funky Kings is a REALLY fun line! One of my fave's.
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06-04-2006, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gottawalk You're part of it now! Enjoy the ride!
P.S. Nasty Dogs and Funky Kings is a REALLY fun line! One of my fave's. |
thank you, and where can i find the sheet music to nasty dogs and funky kings.
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06-05-2006, 01:01 PM
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06-05-2006, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gottawalk Nasty Dogs and Funky Kings is a REALLY fun line! One of my fave's. | Dusty Hill is a bad dude! He can sing, sing high, he can double a tough lick w/Billy, or keep it simple and pound it home. I've seen him described as ZZ Top's "secret weapon".
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06-05-2006, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaftCat Ask in the tab forum. | i kind of figured that. im talkin about music not just tab. i like to see the notes. tab is ok but i prefer the notes. i can learn that faster that way.
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