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Old 06-26-2007, 12:03 AM
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5ths tuning and a job

I know there are a ton of threads about tuning in 5ths.

I was reading the FAQ on Joel Quarringtons website and I noticed this about winning a orchestra job.

http://www.joelquarrington.com/index...d=25&Itemid=33

Q: "Would you audition for an orchestra with this tuning and expect to get the job?"

A: "Although I am convinced of the superior results from fifths tuning, there is no reason it would be accepted in the world of the auditioning orchestral player. Perhaps certain jobs that didn't have a large contingent of bass players on the committee might be winnable, like in a chamber orchestra."

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Old 06-26-2007, 01:14 AM
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All I want to know is why he has more erhu cds (7) than bass cds (2).
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:48 AM
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All I want to know is why he has more erhu cds (7) than bass cds (2).
I was realy bummed with the erhu stuff.....
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I was realy bummed with the erhu stuff.....
It says on his website that "In his spare time, Joel is a truly terrible "erhu' player". I guess he tried to warn you.......
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I was realy bummed with the erhu stuff.....
you were bummed? did you actually hear the recordings? are they really bad? what pieces does he play?
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:50 PM
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The Bottesinni album on Naxos is pretty great, you can get it at emusic for not much:
http://www.emusic.com/album/Andrew-B.../10870669.html
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you were bummed? did you actually hear the recordings? are they really bad? what pieces does he play?
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No, I just thought i'd say that....of course I heard it. 'They can't take That Away From Me' was enough for me.
I know Joel's DB playing he's more than brilliant. Why he did this, I dunno.
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5ths tuning and a job

hello everyone,

I've just registered into the talk bass forum.(newbie)

Mainly because I've been following this forum for sometime and felt that I could(or should?) contribute something to the community via what I know and have experienced first hand.

I've been playing in Europe for the last 10 years, and in fifths for the last 9 (since 1998). I've played in many kinds of musical situations (freelance/ including bass guitar in fifths) with some interim stable work (chamber orchestras).
I have won two auditions here in Spain-one for a chamber orchestra and another for principal bass of a newly formed symphonic orchestra.(I'm no longer with these ensembles because I went into business for myself and can now CHOOSE what I want to play-a big advantage,in terms of time, money and for the completion of artistic goals)
I studied with Joel Quarrington until 1996 (not in fifths). I then won a Canada Council grant to go study with Ludwig Streicher in Vienna. I can therefore say that I know what to expect (at least in Europe)when one would like to play in fifths but is unsure of making the switch.
I feel Joel has been very honest in his web site in stating that "not because of the 5ths tuning superiority will an orchestra hire the candidate". I'm also in agreement when he states that " jobs with a small, or no, double bass contingent might be winnable". Unfortunately, I've experienced that the 5th tuned bassists' worst enemy is/are........other bassists.
I suppose that the main reasons are: ignorance, jealousy,nepotism,conservatism,traditionalism and other human related but lower scale emotions which hinder the developement of the noble part of our human spirit which poseses feelings and attitudes such as:cooperation ,understanding,acceptance,change,...etc.
This is my conclusion, and I have come to formulate it because I've experienced these obstacles first-hand.
While other string players are very enthusiastic about 5ths tuning ,it seems that only a few bassists are even open enough to really give it a go. This translates into a misunderstood conception of what 5ths tuning is all about and why a string instrument ,regardless of its size, should be tuning in 5ths.(except a guitar of course)
Logically, just because something is not accepted into the social community should that mean that it be discarted.After all, Galileo Galileis' and Leonardo Davincis' discoverys were not accepted either at the begining.
Social Proof is what is termed in psychology as "the blind acceptance of a belief". Such is the case with tuning in fourths, and the attitude towards anything other than that in the doublebass community.With respects to 5ths tuning , Arthur Schopenhauer (the german philosopher) once stated:"all truth goes through three steps : first, it is ridiculed. second, it is violently opposed. third, it is accepted as self-evident.
5ths tuning is ,I believe, going through some "growing pains" and it is at the second stage of Schopenhauers' truth cycle. The technology of string manufacturing is on the 5ths tuning side- so are many luthiers, and little by little- performers as well.
I've been able to get jobs based on my musical level and with people whose main criteria for judging others are musical ones.It hasn't always been the case....life's tough.I do know that in comparison with a fourths tuned instrument, a person
whose judgement is based on musical criteria will ALWAYS go for the 5ths tuned string player.This reminds me of Joel quoting one of his students on a radio broadcast. He said the student told him that the fourths tuned instrument sounded " ...as if it were broken or something..."
I hope my viewpoint has helped. Being a conformist, gets you nowhere fast.
One would be worst off having played in fourths all his life and not having won that o so coveted orchestral job.(which ironically doesn't even depend on how well you play the stupid audition most of the time anyways) Music and a life in music ARE NOT getting an orchestral job.

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I see through your profile that you like Edgar Meyer.

Ask yourself this:"Would Edgar Meyer be Edgar Meyer if he would have been going for an orchestral job all his life?"

Be yourself and don't conform to others. You're better off getting a day job than being frustrated in a orchestra-no matter how good the orchestra is. As Duncan McTier once told me"..normaly,there are alot of passangers in an orchestras' bass section, it's really not much fun then."

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question for Verth

What do you use for the string that is second lowest (the low G string)?
I've been using 5ths tuning for the three bottom strings for almost three years but haven't found a satisfactory solution yet.
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Greetings Mr. Jackson,

Although this is perhaps a topic better spoken about in the 5ths tuning strings thread in the Strings main topic. I'll tell you that for now I've been using the following:
a-Pirastro flexocore (solo)
d-Pirastro flexocore (orchestra)
G-Thomastik spirocore (mittel)
C-Thomastik spirocore (mittel)

Please keep in mind the following:
I personally play more with a bow than pure jazz gigs with lots of pizzicato.
Every bass has it's own unique voice and you will ,obviously, have to modify and experiment(no short cuts, sorry)
I have yet to try other newer solutions such as:
Pirastro Obligatos for 5ths tuning and Velvet 180 for 5ths tuning.

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-07-2007, 05:01 PM
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G string

Thanks, Verth.
Is your G string a solo F#?
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Reds set

Have any of you guys tried Red Mitchell's 5th tuning set from Thomastik? ......and?
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I think Quarrington uses a solo A for the A (duh), a solo F# tuned up to G. A standard D, and a 5ths set C.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:59 AM
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I didn't want to derail the thread. His website's very helpful with some of that info.
The Red Mitchell set is more for a jazz setup. I did try the 3rd string "G" from the new Obligato 5ths set and that, too, is stronger as a pizz string, at least on my ax.
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I think Quarrington uses a solo A for the A (duh), a solo F# tuned up to G. A standard D, and a 5ths set C.
Dominants are good if you like a full, rich gut sound when bowing.

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