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Old 04-23-2007, 08:40 AM
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Does anyone have experience of drummers who play using mini bass drums?

I'm hopefully going to able to equip my bands drummer with such a thing this week: a converted 16 inch floor tom.

I hoping to get a much quieter kick drum sound, that wont compete with the double bass so much.

Will this be the case?

anyone friendly with a drummerwho can give tips on tuning the drum and hints on suitable dampening?

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Tom
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:03 AM
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Floor toms sideways on the floor

It makes a huge difference in the general comfort level of the band. A big thumbs up on this one.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:44 AM
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I play with several guys that use a 16" bd. I really like them not so much for the volume but for the pitch. 18" are cool too. I think dampening is not the way to go though. You can tune the dru so it is not super ringy. Experiment with the pitch of two heads. Same, one higher, other higher. Every drum has a sweet spot just like a bass and string tension.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:44 PM
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I'm not a real drummer, I just play one on weekends.....

I hope you're thinking more of a pitch you want to work with your UB, as opposed to volume, cuz a leadfoot will kill you with a 16 just as well as a 22. I will say with a 22 I do feel like I'm in the way of the bassist, like I'm on his turf.

To do it, you'll want one of these gizmos to get the beater where you want it:
http://www.amazon.com/Pearl-JG16-Jun.../dp/B0002F4TBO

Tuning, well, 100% subjective area, but if I were doing that mod it would be so I could get a nice long note out of a medium touch. A long tone with a little pitch bend and a sudden cutoff, like boooooooozzzt. For that, take the heads off, tap on the shell with your finger tip to get an idea of the tone the drum wants to make, very evenly tune the reso (bottom) head to just above that note, then the batter head to just below, and work from there. As the pitches come closer together the sustain increases, there's a happy spot before that where you can control the length of sustain and bend real nice. The starting point for the batter head should be around a half turn past finger tight. LOL, drum tuning must sound goofy to real musicians.

Muffling? Negative. Let's throw a blanket over your bass, or on your horn. Sounds kinda crazy, don't it? It's fine for rock where you're looking for an amplified thud. Maybe your drummer should check out some different bass technique, maybe heel down, and if it's the rumble you want to take out of his drum then maybe tune his up a bit higher.

Here's a handy link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/index.html

This is a touchy area, as I think technique may be your culprit, and it's tough to tell someone how to play, or how to tune, etc. Now where do I join one of these bands where the bassist will help equip the drummer? I could use a new sizzle ride.

Now you've got me jonesing to try this.
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Old 04-23-2007, 01:20 PM
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Ha ha John, don't get me started on the sizzle ride!
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I've just picked the tom up now.
basically I imagine I'll end up putting the whole kit together to get the sound just right.

Thankfully my drummer is game for this.

Thanks all.
Cool, no muffling,

I'll get the heads off tonight and find the natural shell pitch.

Can't wait to get this little fella working.
yes you are right compatible pitches rather than volume change.

Tom
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:37 PM
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A head recommendation: there are a few that are double layer that I would recommend for the batter, an Evans eq3 or Remo pinstripe. Ambassador for the reso head. That will give a slight muffle. 16" is a very easy size to tune. Best bet is to bring the drum to the store and let a knowledgeable person know your intentions, hopefully they speak jazz and know the sound you're going for.
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