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09-29-2008, 05:09 PM
| | | | The Best Way to Appeal to like-minded (upright) Bass Players and Jazz Musicians?
I am a drummer, and I would like to play (or practice) with some like-minded musicians. I'm really looking to do some stuff like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohe4ymCgyl4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkh3O54ZB7k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlI0KukedE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHL-X85Ggao
...basically, "late-night" 3AM jazz and ECM piano trio-type stuff... minus the fusion, bop or rock.
As an upright and electric bass player, myself, I know that in the ECM catalogue (and music like it), there are great, expressive opportunities for the bass player, aside from holding down the low end, and also that the drums are not over the top. This is good for the bass player, as that individual will not struggle to be heard over bombastic drums, and there will be plenty of sonic space for a bass player, at least in terms of how open I could leave things on the drum front.
I'm trying to figure out a way to write an ad to draw the appropriate players (bass and piano) into this kind of sound. I've done a few ads, and references to these artists or ECM in specific do not seem to work, nor does a more vague approach of musical characteristics without the label or name-dropping.
I'm not opposed to diverse kinds of music, but I believe I know my listening and playing preferences (both as a musician in general, and as a drummer, in specific), and I feel it is fair for me to try to seek out a way make that specific type of music heard which is very important to me.
As my last-ditch effort, I've thought about trying to learn/play/record some ECM songs (or ECM like originals/covers) and record the piano and bass parts, if possible at all, and then take that and my drums to some open mic-types of situations so that I'm the drummer in my "pre-recorded" trio. Hope it doesn't come to that...
Thoughts?
I really think the ECM jazz (like the links above) is very tasteful and accessable, and with the right people, playable too. I think it would go over very well for player and audience alike. Am I so far off in left field or jazz esoterica here?
What am I doing wrong? My head, interest, ability, etc... are in the right place, IMO.
Thanks very much.
ps- in ads I never tell potential bassists that I also play bass, because I have no interest in sending any "competition" vibes... and I have no interest in any competition in actuality...
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09-30-2008, 07:25 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Somewhere Over the Barline | | | What you're doing wrong is placing an ad in a newspaper. The way to meet musicians is in person. |
09-30-2008, 09:38 AM
| | | | Thanks for your response, but if you could be more specific in terms of meeting musicians in person? My sense of meeting people in person is that the most focused effort would be to find jazz people in jazz clubs, and that is were performances are. As a respectful listener which I wish to be, I would not want to be trying to talk over the music performed to try to do "networking" with individuals in the audience who may or may not be musicians. Of course, there is the before/after/intermissions... to try to speak with the performers.
I was thinking that the internet/paper (online) for ads is the best place as I'd be targeting musicians who are looking/browsing. I figure it's free, and it targets the right audience, or should.
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09-30-2008, 10:27 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui | | Quote:
Originally Posted by David Kaczorowski  What you're doing wrong is placing an ad in a newspaper. The way to meet musicians is in person. | I must need coffee and/or glasses .... I just read that as "in prison".  |
10-01-2008, 09:36 AM
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10-01-2008, 09:52 AM
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Developer: iGigBook® | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Peoples Republic of Brooklyn | | | try craigslist.org in your local area, run your ad for free, get responses and follow up. Also as was mentioned before go to places where music is played which includes open mics or jam sessions and talk to people that you hear that you like and would be a fit for what you're doing. |
10-01-2008, 10:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NYC | | | An ad in the paper means you get to wade through all the lame ass nuts who would bother to respond and don't meet any musicians who would never think of answering an ad like that.
Hit the jam sessions, trade numbers with cats. You can talk on the breaks if you're too sensitive to noise issues, but I think what Dave is referring to is talking to the people you hear playing whose playing you like. Not randomly talking to other audience members to find out if they're musicians.
Two words:
Hang
Out
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10-01-2008, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua Two words:
Hang
Out | + 1 to that and everything else Ed said. The only way I've managed to make a dent in things here was to be 'on the scene' as much as I possibly could. For a couple of years.... |
10-01-2008, 04:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denver, Co. | | | Walk into any jazz club and tell the cats: " I'm holdin' ".
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10-01-2008, 04:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui | | HAH!
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10-01-2008, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton Walk into any jazz club and tell the cats: " I'm holdin' ". | Paul is batting 1000 today!!!! |
10-01-2008, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by txstatebass Paul is batting 1000 today!!!! | Thanks Tiny!
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10-01-2008, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson HAH!
Careful going to your car, though... | No ****!
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10-01-2008, 06:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui | | Believe me, PW.... in my day, I was both "The Pied Piper".... and "The Rat"... know what I'm sayin'? 
Glad we survived all that. |
10-01-2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson Believe me, PW.... in my day, I was both "The Pied Piper".... and "The Rat"... know what I'm sayin'? | You know I know Honey, but I wonder how many other TBers know what the hell wer'e talkin' about but Mr. Fuqua and a few other select old mothers?
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Oh, no.....have we gone OT yet again?
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10-01-2008, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton Walk into any jazz club and tell the cats . . . | Terse. Lucid. Vivid. On point.
PW. Golden, man.
+ + +
Thunderthumbs, I've been trying so hard to hold back but I might as well let 'er rip. In my humble opinion the best way to attract like-minded players is to line up a gig and tell them to come.
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10-01-2008, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Sherry Terse. Lucid. Vivid. On point.
PW. Golden, man. | Hey Sam.....I missed You.
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10-02-2008, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton You know I know Honey, but I wonder how many other TBers know what the hell wer'e talkin' about but Mr. Fuqua and a few other select old mothers? | Why am I suddenly thinking about Bradley's?
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10-02-2008, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Sherry Terse. Lucid. Vivid. On point.
PW. Golden, man.
+ + +
Thunderthumbs, I've been trying so hard to hold back but I might as well let 'er rip. In my humble opinion the best way to attract like-minded players is to line up a gig and tell them to come. | Yep, been coming to that impression, myself. Unfortunately, I'm not looking to necessarily do standards in which people could just show up, but maybe that is what it has to come to. But it is hard enough to get booked with an established band, much less pretending that I have one and fake my way into booking a gig!
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