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[hdiddy]

Fools are a dime a dozen....guess you got the whole dozen...

You're welcome to enjoy whatever belief system makes you most comfortable.

Great "pep talk" for the guy.

Guys... I don't like to say things like this but I think this is exactly the sniping we're talking about. IMO, it's real negative and really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

And Ed, respecting someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to agree with it - even if they are inexperienced and have no basis to their opinion.

[dbgal]

Originally Posted by hdiddy

respecting someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to agree with it - even if they are inexperienced and have no basis to their opinion.

Exactly! For example, it's my OPINION that cell phones are a scourge on society, but I'm obviously in the minority

[Ed Fuqua]

Originally Posted by specplyrz

Great "pep talk" for the guy.

T is a pretty good player and, I think, given his abilities and what music he seems to be interested in, there's a very good chance that he's going to end up in NYC. T also has, given the resources of this site and my contributions to it, a fair representation of my playing and my range of experience. All of which he can evaluate for himself and determine if what I say has any value to him. Which is all any of us ask; look past the wrapper and see what's in the package.

And your post is, to a great extent, what many people are trying to get at in this thread. You come along, don't offer ANYTHING besides an opinion. You don't offer what experience you base your opinion on, you don't offer any substantive educational input (along the lines of Ray Parker's fingering threads, Chris' or jazzbo's articles on basic walking conception or basic theory etc.) it's just all bluster and confrontation.

What "value" do you offer?

[specplyrz]

Originally Posted by hdiddy

Guys... I don't like to say things like this but I think this is exactly the sniping we're talking about. IMO, it's real negative and really doesn't add anything to the discussion.

And Ed, respecting someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to agree with it - even if they are inexperienced and have no basis to their opinion.

Actually, I am merly pointing out this guy's berating of this persons feelings.....it was meant to be informative..to Mr. Fuqua... that we all don't like to be talked down to.

[Mike Dimin]

This is a very interesting thread. I used to be a "Ask The Pro" over on the BG side but finally had to leave. I left because it came to the point that any Bozo could post whatever they wanted and I could not defend or debate it without my role as an ask the pro or endorser of certain gear coming into play.

Respect is one thing ... but I have to agree with Ed, that opinions need to be backed up with experience and expertise. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, yes, however, not all opinions should carry the same weight. As long as people can hide behind the anonymity of a screen name, there is little that will change that. I know of many, many instances where much more delibierate, derisive and/or commercial motives where behind a great many posts.

I can respect your right to have an opinion but I do not have to respect the opinion itself

Mike Dimin

[Ed Fuqua]

Originally Posted by hdiddy

And Ed, respecting someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to agree with it - even if they are inexperienced and have no basis to their opinion.

Well, HD, we may have to agree to disagree on this one. I can respect your right to have an opinion, but an opinion that is informed (or misinformed) by a lack of experience or is without basis just doesn't have value. At least not the same value as one that IS informed by a wealth of experience and that I have concrete evidence that the experience has resulted in specific abilities or achievements. Look back at countless "Ferrari" analogies.

To I think (for example) T is fit only to be sold as a pet to wealthy Asians because he thought Rene Rosnes ought to smile when she plays? No. I respect him as a human and I respect his right to say stupid ****. Just like I have a right to say stupid ****. But I also respect the right of others whose experience exceeds mine to call me on saying stupid **** when I do so.

I mean, look at my posts. Do I just say somebody is a moron and then run off? Certainly my perception of my actiosn is just that, my own perception; but to my recollection if I offer a contrary opinion, I give the experience which that opinion is based on. Anybody can offer an opinion on the fastest way to Philly, but I'm gonna place more credence on the guy who holds the title for "Fastest Guy To Philly" for the last 3 years over somebody who's not really sure if it's north or south of where they are...

[Tbeers]

OK lock this now.



Ed I have no problem with you.

[hdiddy]

Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua

Look back at countless "Ferrari" analogies.

Yes I was thinking of those myself but also your response to Brian Bromberg which was also an analogy to driving but something I interpret as an argument that reinforces what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by FOGHORN

I mean, look at my posts. Do I just say somebody is a moron and then run off?

Ed, kinda sorta. I've been around long enough to know that you post in a particular style and not to get my feathers too ruffled. But to someone new they don't see things the same way. For instance, you're offending another reader within this thread - and it's all based upon how drastically different he's interpreting your comments. Honestly, I think most people who read your posts, or say Kens for instance, they can't get past your delivery. You guys tend to be frank and blunt but that can come off as abrasive to those who don't know and interpret the wrong way. Yes you guys offer a ton of great help to others, but I think this is where the intention of a particular post doesn't get communicated because of delivery or semantics. Sometimes such messages can be read as being "short" with someone - especially if you guys came outta nowhere.

As for Mike, I'm sorry you had to go through all that nasty crap. I can see how you don't want to respect another's opinion. However, I'm thinking that the "value" is critical most of the time in virtual forums.

Really, I look at how long someone has been on TBDB and consider what they've written in the past to weigh the value of a new opinion of theirs. I tend to disregard so-called "well informed" posts when they have no history with TB (for instance pnchad or whatever his name was on a recent upton bass thread). But thats me and other people probably don't consider that as much.

[John Sprague]

Originally Posted by specplyrz

"by a lack of experience or is without basis just doesn't have value"

And so said the SS of Germany as they exterminated millions......

Foul! The SS did not say that. I'm quite sure they exterminated Jews despite their experience and expertise.

C'mon, it's a simple concept, this "value of opinion" thing. Yes, we all respect each other as the tender blossoming flowers we may all grow to be, but hell my friend if you haven't been there and done that, then the guy or gal who has is the senior opinion.

[hdiddy]

Originally Posted by John Sprague

C'mon, it's a simple concept, this "value of opinion" thing. Yes, we all respect each other as the tender blossoming flowers we may all grow to be, but hell my friend if you haven't been there and done that, then the guy or gal who has is the senior opinion.

Thanks John. That was what I was trying to say.

[hdiddy]

Guys... keep the politics out. It's against the rulez.

[Ed Fuqua]

Originally Posted by hdiddy

For instance, you're offending another reader within this thread - and it's all based upon how drastically different he's interpreting your comments.

DID- that sounds remarkably like it was my fault I got hit going through the intersection because I should have known he was going to run the light.

I can only be responsible for what I write, not what somebody decides to read into it based on some argument they had with somebody else someplace else. Read what I wrote, not what you think I meant. Or especially , what YOU would have meant if you were saying that. If I type "The hat is red" then I mean it's a red hat, not that your mother dresses you funny. I don't have ANY problem saying your mother dresses you funny, if that's what I think. And given the fact that my only objective sartorial recognization was a "Best Dressed Camper" award when I was 7, you may wish to discount my ability to make such fine distinctions.

[hdiddy]

Sorry, guys. I think this thread needs to be closed. We didn't need to go there on the Nazi germany thing and it's an extremely sensitive topic. I suggest you all go practice and Chris lock this mutha til everybody chills out.

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Did I mention I was really busy this week? How's about everybody take PUFFY's advice and go practice, what?