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11-23-2009, 08:25 PM
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Anyone know the typical solo form for the Cedar Walton tune Bolivia? Is is AB and then play one extra A at the end of your solo?
Thanks,
Pete
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11-23-2009, 09:34 PM
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11-23-2009, 10:53 PM
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That's the way Cedar played it when I did a few days here in Den. with him back in the 80's.
(Hey, Pete.)
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11-24-2009, 03:19 AM
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11-24-2009, 09:32 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York | | | Great, thanks guys. That's also what I thought, but I wasn't sure if there was an extra A section thrown in there.
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11-24-2009, 10:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NYC | | | You could always start doing it if the tenor player insists on playing more choruses than they have ideas to fill. You gotta work on the "Why can't you keep the ****ing form, you ****" stare too...
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11-24-2009, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua  You could always start doing it if the tenor player insists on playing more choruses than they have ideas to fill. You gotta work on the "Why can't you keep the ****ing form, you ****" stare too... | Ed,
you just made me blow coffee out of my nose you %$#@& 
Soooo Funny 
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11-24-2009, 09:04 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York | | Ed, that's usually the way I talk to all horn players. 
In the Cedar Walton recording I have, each soloist plays ABAB, then adds one final A to their solo. The next soloist starts his blowing on the B. I guess this isn't the norm though?
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11-24-2009, 10:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NYC | | | Which recording is that, one of the Eastern Rebellion things? It may be that somebody just unduly stepped...
I dunno, the problem I have with that is - it introduces ambiguity and stops forward motion. Anytime I have to pull myself out of the moment and try to figure out what's going on with the form, it just kills any immediacy. Which I then have to get back. Instead of sailing along...what do you on the last solo? Does somebody blow on the vamp and THEN you do the vamp? Or does the form suddenly become BA on the head out?
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11-25-2009, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua I dunno, the problem I have with that is - it introduces ambiguity and stops forward motion. Anytime I have to pull myself out of the moment and try to figure out what's going on with the form, it just kills any immediacy. Which I then have to get back. Instead of sailing along...what do you on the last solo? Does somebody blow on the vamp and THEN you do the vamp? Or does the form suddenly become BA on the head out? | I guess this is why the "why can't you keep the ****ing form, you %$#@%^&" Stare was invented.
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11-25-2009, 07:07 AM
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Hey, I could give a crap.....as usual, I just wanted to drop Cedar's name. 
I'm gonna start a thread....."The great names I've played with for 4 nights or less".
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11-25-2009, 08:53 AM
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11-25-2009, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua Which recording is that, one of the Eastern Rebellion things? It may be that somebody just unduly stepped...
I dunno, the problem I have with that is - it introduces ambiguity and stops forward motion. Anytime I have to pull myself out of the moment and try to figure out what's going on with the form, it just kills any immediacy. Which I then have to get back. Instead of sailing along...what do you on the last solo? Does somebody blow on the vamp and THEN you do the vamp? Or does the form suddenly become BA on the head out? | Ed, it's from a Freddie Hubbard album called "Bolivia." Actually, it sounds really great and natural ending on the A because the next soloist is launched in the swing section. The last soloist finishes blowing on the A and then the melody comes in right where it should on the B. The form stays AB but each soloist ends in the middle of the form.
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Ed, sorry, I just realized my last post made it seem like they ADD an extra A, but they do not, as I hopefully explained in this post. |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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