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Old 06-30-2006, 08:29 PM
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Computer setup during music school...(technically savvy)

Hey, for those of you guys in school (or teachers -- Mr. Fitzgerald?) I'm looking to get together my setup for college in the fall.

I've got an Apple Mac Mini and a PC that I use (primarily the PC to be honest,) and for next year I'm looking to get together a computer setup that will serve me through college (and beyond.)

I'm definitely going to be getting Sibelius -- probably Sibelius 4 Professional -- and I'm looking at different MIDI controllers. I'll be using this for several things -- transcription and Sibelius input primarily, but also as a keyboard to practice on.

Later on in school, I'll be majoring in jazz arranging/composition, so I'll also be using this setup (and this MIDI controller) to arrange and compose pieces.

Basically I've been looking at M-Audio's products, but can anyone reccomend something that would be suitable for what I need it for? I don't think I'll need a full 88-key setup, but the super-tiny 25 key ones aren't exactly useful looking either.

Any advice for things to look out for? Problems that might arise, things that I might need but haven't though of, etc. etc.?
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Old 06-30-2006, 09:54 PM
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Sibelius 4 is a great start. To that, I'd download an audio editor like Audacity or Sound Studio and get your recording chops together - a microphone is the most useful teacher I know. On a Mac, you can either go from a small mixing board (or preamp) into the line in (nearly free), use a cheap interface, or even get one of those cheap Samson USB condenser mics that have the interface built in.

As far as the keyboard, when you say you want to use it to practice, what does that really mean? A keyboard will be fine for learning chord structures and theory concepts, and also for input into a notation program, but if you are talking about practicing piano chops, you'll want one that at least feels and sounds a bit like a piano (weighted keys and the best acoustic sound you can afford). I used to practice on a Roland PC-88, and it seemed to transfer. There are a couple of nice looking boards by Soundlogic with weighted action that I keep seeing in the catalogs, but I haven't played them personally. Got a decent sized music store nearby?
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:25 PM
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Sounds good -- I can get some "lite" recording software from my brother (technical theatre major with a spec. in sound design) until I can afford some of my own. I have a copy of Vegas 5 that no longer renders into mp3 (guh) and an M-Audio Firewire Solo. No mic as of yet, might pick up an AKG CS1000 that I've used in the school's studio for vocals and ac. guitar...they sounded pretty nice considering the price point.

What I'll be using the keyboard for...

Working on theory and ear training
Transcription
Eventually helping in just learning tunes
Keyboard Fundamentals homework
Arranging/Composing

I have no aspirations of using the keyboard in a professional sense for anything other than arranging or composing. I have a keyboard right now, but it's more than 10 years old and was cheap when it was new. It doesn't feel anything like a piano whatsoever. Moreover, it has no connectivity with any sort of device other than an amplifier.

That said, all of the M-Audio ones have "semi-"weighted keys. I'll check out those Soundlogic boards, though...

EDIT: As far as music stores, nothing local is any good for this. The only nearby one that stocks any real amount of boards is beyond overpriced and deals with very select companies, stocking mainly in Yamaha...and even so, usually only electric pianos.

EDIT: Can't find any boards by "Soundlogic." Google...isn't playing nice.
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Old 07-01-2006, 05:57 AM
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D'oh! The brand I was thinking of was actually "StudioLogic" and I see them in the old Sweetwater catalog but not on their site. No matter. For what you want, the M-Audio boards will be fine. And Audacity is free. If you use it, be sure to download the "Lamelib" file, which allows you to convert your files to mp3's, since they take up less space. Beyond that, all you might need is a firewire hard drive eventually to hold your sound files, and you should be set. If you want to be really on top of things, a small portable recording device like a Hi-MD or flash recorder would be great for recording your practice sessions, lessons, and rehearsals.
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Old 07-01-2006, 01:06 PM
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Chris' replies, as always, are informative and accurate. But allow me to add my two cents.

Microphones: There are a lot of cheap Chinese microphones out there of variable, if not dubious, quality. In the low-mid price category I have found that an Australian company called Rode is making good microphones at great value.

Recording/Editing Software: +1 on Audacity. I use it for much of the simpler, personal work I do, even though I have access to top recording systems. It's simple to use and very capable (and not weighed down by flash and fluff like much of the comercial software).

Personal recorder: extremely useful (and eye-opening) for recording gigs and rehearsals. After much research I bought the Sony Hi-MD minidisk. It works very well and has a good quality microphone with it. I feel that its more sturdy construction, its higher quality electronics and (much) cheaper media make it a better deal than the flash-card recorders.

Keyboards: It's nicer to play a fully weighted piano-action keyboard, but the biggest drawback is that they are really weighted - physically heavy that is. So if you need any kind of portability then they will be very inconvenient. I bought a Yamaha piano recently for the family and it's got a good action and decent sounds for just over $1000. It's probably more of a peice of furniture than you're after, though.

As for "semi-weighted," this is just sales-speak...a way to get "weighted" into the sales pitch without actually providing it. It's along the same lines as those that advertise "semi-parametric" equalizers.

Computer interface: you shuld look for something that will give you MIDI in from a keyboard so that you can use it as an input device for your scoring software. I'm not hugely impressed with M-Audio gear; for just a little more money you could get something much better by Focusright, TC-Electronics, or even Yamaha.

As for stores, most on-line stores have equally good prices and delivery, but I'll recommend Sweetwater...the major difference being that you can get an able, informed and intelligent person on the other end of the phone nine times out of ten.

You may find it useful to read Electronic Musician magazine - despite being stuffed full of glossy ads the editorial and reviews seem reasonably accurate and unbiased. They are on the web here.

Hope some of this helped.

[Disclaimer: although I'm involved in the professional recording industry, I'm not affiliated with any of the companies mentioned. ]
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Old 07-02-2006, 12:21 AM
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:55 PM
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I'm curious about recording myself for practicing purposes.

Specifically, what mic would you recomend?

I'm not looking to purchase anything for at least 6 months, but if anyone could give me a specific mic that would be under $350, it would be a great help.
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Old 08-02-2006, 01:05 PM
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Hey guys, I ended up ordering an M-Audio Keystation 61es. I have it hooked up to my Mac Mini -- I was surprised at how nice it all sounds. I didn't realize until now just how much I hated that awful, 12 year old Yamaha keyboard (less than $100 when it was new!) I was using before. Just horrendous.

That said, it turns out one of the computer stores near here is an M-Audio dealer...it also happens to be owned by a family we know very well (my brother was very good friends with the oldest daugher) and my dad has dealt with the guy on many, may occasions so we got a great deal on the board.

In any case, I now have it hooked up and pokin' around Garage Band. Soon I'm going to take my FWSolo off my PC and hook it into the Keystation so I can do all sorts of cool stuff on the Mac.

Oh, as far as the school setup will go, it's gonna be pretty rockin'!

Mac Mini and PC (3.2gHz, 1g RAM, SB Audigy 2s, etc.)
KVM switch so I can use my mac keyboard, logitech mouse, and DanQ 19" LCD monitor with both PC and Mac
M-Audio Keystation 61es and FWSolo
Sibelius 4 and Garage Band

I am excited. All I need now is to order Sibelius and I'm up and running.

Thanks guys!

GrayBassGuy: I'm picking up a cheap condenser for my bass before the summer's out. An engineer friend of mine is ordering it for me, but I'll let you know what the name/model is. PM for soundclips of it.
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