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Old 04-01-2010, 09:11 PM
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John Coltrane- Ascension

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Old 04-01-2010, 11:26 PM
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It's beautiful
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:39 PM
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hehehe. Lovely dinner date music.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:49 PM
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It is definitely not for the faint of heart.

Or for some one who doesn't have at least a small grasp on the concepts Trane was exploring on Ascension.

But once you get it and appreciate it, it's one of the greatest pieces of music to date.

Glad to see it getting some acknowledgment (Get it?) here on TB.

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Old 04-02-2010, 09:10 AM
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Concepts?

I'm interested to know what concepts you believe Coltrane was exploring on Ascension?
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It depends on whether you see this work as un- or post-
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Old 04-02-2010, 04:59 PM
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I guess I still don't understand it, but I keep listening to it and I keep hearing new things.

The bass duet is awesome too. Who's bowing and who's playing pizz?
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un- or post- ?
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Old 04-03-2010, 10:04 AM
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Thumbs up

My first Coltrane album when I was in HS in the 60's. Got it as a bonus for subscribing to Down Beat. Something of a shock at the time. Been a long time, I'll have to check it out again.
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Old 04-03-2010, 01:56 PM
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Something of a shock....that's for sure!
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:32 PM
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It's such a brutally honest album.
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I'm interested to know what concepts you believe Coltrane was exploring on Ascension?
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un- or post- ?
Mr. Lysh's question implies that some people might not think that there are "concepts" at work in Ascensions. My reply reflects that consideration of the point might depend on perspective.

If you hear Ascensions as un-melodic, un (more properly, a-)tonal, un-attractive then you would probably conclude that this record is a bunch of skronk.

If you hear Ascensions not merely as an isolated moment but rather as a reaction to the jazz tradition, you might perceive it as post-melodic, post-tonal, maybe even post-"beautiful" in the traditional sense of the word. There would be a ton of concepts flying around even as the musicians are very clearly Going For The Moment as few others have. Archie Shepp's comments in the liner notes to the effect that the piece sets out a "juxtaposition of tonally centered ideas and atonal elements" reflects that he had some specific concepts in mind; who knows to what degree that reflects other performers on the album.

"You could use this record to heat up the apartment on these cold winter days."" -- Marion Brown, quoted in the liner notes to Ascensions

Back to my cave . . .
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:18 PM
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hehehe. Lovely dinner date music.
Only if you're expecting The Dominatrix and the Gimp.
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Only if you're expecting The Dominatrix and the Gimp.
Now I'm going to have bad thoughts every time I listen to it..
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Only if you're expecting The Dominatrix and the Gimp.
Ohoooh hohohhoo. Hooh hooooh ohohohoh hee heee heeheheeee!
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:45 AM
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It is a beautiful album, very nice music. Nothing shocking compared to Brötzmann's Machine Gun, Alan Silva's "Lunar Surface" or some of the more brutal Globe Unity Orchestra albums.
Coltrane's Om is closer in that respect.
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some of the more brutal Globe Unity Orchestra albums.
Oh man... I forgot about them! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOiwc...eature=related

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Old 04-06-2010, 10:25 AM
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Brötzmann in Poland on my second birthday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xa75...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbVpx...eature=related

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Old 04-06-2010, 10:30 AM
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Globe Unity "Drunken in the Morning Sunrise":
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