Outdoor gig in -16°C dergee cold

[jnel]

do you really think that my advice, or your guessing, or your hateful remarks to me and others, is going to make an ounce of batshit difference- we are just posting our thoughts here- in the post that you refer to, i am just stating some things i would probably try if it were I who was playing the gig. And, for your info, i have lived in my short life in RI and Chicago, just to mention a couple of cold places.

I will stop posting my "advice" if you will stop being rude to everyone.

[gerry grable]

Originally Posted by Damon Rondeau

Yep, when you're talking Greenland, you're talking some world-class winter!

A curious fact that even you may not be aware of is that the temperatures in your inland area of Canada (I am assuming a wide area from Edmonton to Calgary to Winnipeg?) often experience far colder temperatures than ever exist in Thule which is on the upper northwest coast of Greenland. The coast is "warmed" by the 28.5 F (?) waters of Baffin Bay. Inland, on the 9000 ft ice cap it's a whole different animal If I recall correctly the average winter temperatures on Thule Airbass hovered at -32 to -35F for weeks at a time. Not too cold, but steady and dark.

[Don Higdon]

Originally Posted by jnel

do you really think that my advice, or your guessing, or your hateful remarks to me and others, is going to make an ounce of batshit difference- we are just posting our thoughts here- in the post that you refer to, i am just stating some things i would probably try if it were I who was playing the gig. And, for your info, i have lived in my short life in RI and Chicago, just to mention a couple of cold places.

I will stop posting my "advice" if you will stop being rude to everyone.

Your first response to Brian:

Originally Posted by jnel

i'm new here, but i have been reading talkbass for several years, and i have to say that this is the dumbest question that has been posted so farl

The fact that you asked the question, shows that your head is not completely frozen. Start with a hat and warm your brain up slowly

[jnel]

yes, you are correct. This was before Brian started disclosing some things like "heated stage" The difference in my statements and your is huge. My over all tone is light and supportive of Brian. You, come off as a hater. Is this part of the Alexander Technique?


there is a joker in every deck and there is a hater in every thread

[Damon Rondeau]

Originally Posted by gerry grable

A curious fact that even you may not be aware of is that the temperatures in your inland area of Canada (I am assuming a wide area from Edmonton to Calgary to Winnipeg?) often experience far colder temperatures than ever exist in Thule which is on the upper northwest coast of Greenland. The coast is "warmed" by the 28.5 F (?) waters of Baffin Bay. Inland, on the 9000 ft ice cap it's a whole different animal If I recall correctly the average winter temperatures on Thule Airbass hovered at -32 to -35F for weeks at a time. Not too cold, but steady and dark.

If you're really far inland and far from mountains on either the North American or Eurasian landmasses, and you're above 50 degrees latitude, and it's January, you're in a coooold place. The Canadian prairies, for sure. Siberia: even more so.

[jnel]

Damon- i have appreciated your posts- you have a lot of class

[gerry grable]

Originally Posted by Treyzer

Well, we are on the interweb and we have no eye contact or signs from body language so signals can get mixed; Still, I'm not sure how this "turn of phrase" is meant to be taken. Is jabbing at someone else benign humor or passive aggressive behavior?

Treyzer,
You're right. It is an example of passive agressive behavior, and I regret that I allowed myself to display my own puerile side. It was a quick counter punch (jab) at the snide, "six-syllable word" remark. I should have ignored the slight. With the "finding one" crack, I was alluding to the fact that many otherwise excellent classical players can't play a steady 4/4 line.

I was merely stating my general experience regarding climate conditions in other parts of the world that do not have Hawaii's very temperate climate by providing additional information and support. My comments were not intended to be rude. Furthermore, challenging you, in a childlike manner, or any other manner, was not my intention.

My original remark to you was really intended as a funny dig. It started with "Ha, ha" and ended with a smiley face.
But the interpretation and criticism of it validates your above mentioned "mixed signal" comment. One should be careful joking with people one really doesn't know. To further explain, I had in the past clicked in on some videos and pics of your musical activities in beautiful warm Hawaii (I hope they were yours?). So. . .when I read your remarks on cold weather, I had a mental picture of you, sitting in a cane chair, on a lush mountain top, ensconsed on a paradisaical (oops, another six-syllable word) island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean--three or four thousand miles from Canada!

I fail to see how my response would constitute a challenge to you, implied or otherwise. If I had wanted to challenge you in some way, it would have been exceedingly clear and direct.

Treyzer,

As for your putative "challenge." I never regarded it as directed towards me. But, to use a football metaphor, I thought you were "piling on." When you wrote to another poster, I paraphrase: BTW Who are you? What have you done? With a cluster of blinking smilie faces to emphasise your point, I interpreted it as an example of the bullying that I often see from the "A-team" members on this site.
I think we can all benefit by considering the two points that you pose in the first and second sentences at the top of this post.
Gerry

[Treyzer]

Gerry, Thanks for taking the time to answer. I really enjoy the give and take on this site and I have also learned quite a bit regarding all things double bass.

For some reason, I'm always taken a little off guard when someone I don't know, or have had very little contact with, starts in on me or someone who I actually know and consider a friend. My wife would be the first to say that, in real life, I'm not one to "toot my own horn" or try to advance myself in any way based on past luck and/or accomplishments. I don't see the point in it. However, when someone who is unknown to me, I don't believe it was you, starts questioning my right to share my opinion regarding an OP's original question, I may start to bristle and show the stripes on my sleeve.

Truth is, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it. One last thought, I don't think of myself as part of any team. I'm just a guy who plays bass, hangin with others who share the same passion. I have met some truly cool and wonderful people in real life because of this site. I have also hit the "block" or disregard button for a few who I find to be utter boors, windbags, "know it alls" and/or true and utter a$$hats! Ah such is life.

Again, Thank you Gerry

PS: Best of luck to the OP and I truly hope it all goes well for you. Personally, I would not subject my beautiful La Scala to any harsh weather conditions. Here it would be monsoons and hurricanes! I do not play it outdoors period. It stays indoors and in venues that are temperature controlled.

[jeffbonny]

Originally Posted by Treyzer

I think this gets the humorless award for the month and is in contention for years end clueless awards; Playing in those conditions is not playing, it's enduring and/or surviving at best! Although the instrument may come out unscathed, it's pretty obvious that double basses are not intended for such abuse!

Like the post I was replying to had any amount of humor in it? It didn't. Don has been unnecessarily harsh and humorless in this thread and I called him on it. It's really as simple as that. Would you have been less put out if I'd added a smiley to show what a great sense of humor I really have? ............

Cluelessness is more apparent in someone who's chiming in on the issue of cold from Hawaii via SoCal. Like others who've actually played solid basses in the -16C range the OP was specifically asking about all I was doing was offering personal observation. Note I'm not alone here saying that reasonable precautions allowed cold is not a hugely damaging condition for wood. Are the others saying just that clueless too?

Sorry for the late reply. I just now noticed you'd edited in "clueless" and thought that was a little over the top under the circumstance.

[Treyzer]

Originally Posted by jeffbonny

Like the post I was replying to had any amount of humor in it? It didn't. Don has been unnecessarily harsh and humorless in this thread and I called him on it. It's really as simple as that. Would you have been less put out if I'd added a smiley to show what a great sense of humor I really have? ............

Cluelessness is more apparent in someone who's chiming in on the issue of cold from Hawaii via SoCal. Like others who've actually played solid basses in the -16C range the OP was specifically asking about all I was doing was offering personal observation. Note I'm not alone here saying that reasonable precautions allowed cold is not a hugely damaging condition for wood. Are the others saying just that clueless too?

Sorry for the late reply. I just now noticed you'd edited in "clueless" and thought that was a little over the top under the circumstance.

I've already responded to all of this. I did not add in clueless, it was always there. And yet another A$$hat goes on my ignore list. To quote E.F. "Have a blessed day"!

[Jake deVilliers]

Hey Brian, I'd skip the Dampits and just play the gig. The less moisture you have in the cells of the top, the less the top will expand/contract with external temperature changes.

If the basses get really cold, be sure to warm them up slowly - its the rapid heating/hydration that causes finish checks and cracks.

Have a fun show!

[Eric Hochberg]

Originally Posted by Jake deVilliers

Hey Brian, I'd skip the Dampits and just play the gig.

I'd skip the gig and keep using the dampits.

[gerry grable]

The way this thread is going, it will soon be spring and the discussion will be moot
I sure as hell hope it pays well.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

[fraublugher]

These are everywhere in canada,they work if you're right next to them.

Hopefully , your scroll won't get over heated like this thread.

/frozen smiley face

[Damon Rondeau]

And all the variations on the Herman Nelson heater:



I wouldn't want my bass blasted by any kind of heater. The name of the game is easy does it, if you can.

[jnel]

have you thought about using a concert hall or some other reasonable building


if not

charcoal in a bucket and do this during rests

dampits

[jeffbonny]

Originally Posted by Treyzer

For some reason, I'm always taken a little off guard when someone I don't know, or have had very little contact with, starts in on me or someone who I actually know and consider a friend.

Sorry if it seems to you I'm the new new guy talking out of turn to his "elders". I'm not.

And stealing someone else's patented brush-off line is lame as lame gets...especially when you've been as wrong as you've been here.

[Eric Hochberg]

Originally Posted by jeffbonny

I'm just another long time TB schmuck

Why continue to prove the point?

[jnel]

Brian, from your OP, "next week" has come and gone- just wondering if you did or didn't- love to hear about it.

Before we leave this thread, I would like to apologize to you for my first post- not knowing the stage would be heated prompted my "you're an idiot" tone. You, actually, have presented yourself in a quite sane way and your question was a good one.

Jim

[longfinger]

I was watching some NYE shows from different places and there were so many performers outside in the cold doing their thing for huge audiences, live and for TV. Every city had some big event going on outdoors. We all forgot in this post that NYE was happening and that perhaps this was such a gig (though the OP never mentioned it, and omitted a lot of info regarding stage conditions).

Better questions with the supporting data supplied will get better answers on a forum board. (though it will get less responses of the usual forum style)

* Busking on the street in -16ºC cold for pocket change of a passerbye = one thing
* Playing a well paid NYE gig on a stage for live audience of thousands, and potential TV audience of many, many more = different thing.

:-)

So how did the gig go?