Pay attention, youngins.

Paul Warburton · #1 02-12-2012, 05:35 PM

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Kenny Barron - Jazz Today is from the Head and Not the Heart - YouTube

**colcifer** · #2 02-12-2012, 05:39 PM

He's right in so many ways. You can't take head and heart as one or the other, though. Thanks for posting this.

Paul Warburton · #3 02-12-2012, 06:00 PM

Sure, you can. Can you say that? Sure, you can.

Edvin · #4 02-12-2012, 06:04 PM

what does he refer to? I really can't understand that a giant like him take several generations of jazz musicians and place them in one pond. How can he say that? I really do not agree, there has always been the intellectual musicians and there will always be. Is that a "wrong way" to exercise music? If you like the way you play, what is wrong with it?
And even if i think's it's ok to play intellectually, i still can't believe he says that "the musicians today play's intellectually".
That is really not true i believe.
Finaly, to make a comparison: how intellectual was not bebop?
His statement is really annoying me!!

ChuckCorbisiero · #5 02-12-2012, 06:27 PM

I remember going to Bradley's in the Village on 5th Avenue and Waverly Place and listening to Kenny's trio with Buster Williams in the 80s. They had a really nice grand that was tuned several times a week. He would always nod when you came through the door whether he knew you or not. He was on a ton of great records past and present. I love his solos. It seemed like he was everywhere. I think Red Mitchell played with him at Bradley's at times also. Then on my way home from gigs late at night we would go to so called illegal after hours clubs on the lower east side in the worst part of town, alphabet city and low and behold there was Kenny at 4AM playing on a broken down piano just as content as could be. That always stuck with me. That unstoppable need to play and communicate musically and socially. You can't take that away from anyone if they have it.

Paul Warburton · #6 02-12-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Edvin

what does he refer to? I really can't understand that i giant like him take several generations of jazz musicians and place them in one pond. How can he say that? I really do not agree, there has always been the intellectual musicians and there will always be. Is that a "wrong way" to exercise music? If you like the way you play, what is wrong with it?
And even if i think's it's ok to play intellectually, i still can't believe hi says that "the musicians today play's intellectually".
That is really really not true i believe.
Finaly, to make a comparison: how intellectual was not bebop?
His statement is really annoying me!!

Your inability to form a sentence and your inability to spell, really annoys me.

pbass888 · #7 02-12-2012, 06:59 PM

Thanks Paul. First tune I learned was Revelation. I hear a lot of "hot" electric bassists come through here (Houston) and I agree with some of these sentiments.

Perhaps the music in its institutionalization (university system) has swung (;-) too much to the technique focus and away from the feel and emotion that prevailed in the previous system (i.e. the mentor system of say the Louis Armstrong/Joe Oliver Days).

As a student of the genre I have a hard time remembering any solo by Hadrien Feraud (sp?) but have no problem remembering Ray Browns solos from say "This One's for Blanton".

Again, Great to have you on the website Paul.
Best regards
Sri Viswanath

Thanks for the food for thought.

ChuckCorbisiero · #8 02-12-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Edvin

what does he refer to? I really can't understand that i giant like him take several generations of jazz musicians and place them in one pond. How can he say that? I really do not agree, there has always been the intellectual musicians and there will always be. Is that a "wrong way" to exercise music? If you like the way you play, what is wrong with it?
And even if i think's it's ok to play intellectually, i still can't believe hi says that "the musicians today play's intellectually".
That is really really not true i believe.
Finaly, to make a comparison: how intellectual was not bebop?
His statement is really annoying me!!

My perception is that Kenny thinks people are setting out to become jazz musicians for all the wrong reasons. With all the jazz educators turning out clones of musicians who for one reason or another are just approximating the act of creating improvisational music. It has occurred to me that many of today's jazz musicians replace the heart and dialect of the music with an artificial one full of vocabulary that is nonsensical at worst, intellectual at best. I thought he was saying you can't buy the ability to communicate with 4 years of music school and rich parents. Maybe you can do that in other genres? Is that what's annoying?

**colcifer** · #9 02-12-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Your inability to form a sentence and your inability to spell, really annoys me.

Judge not; your post should have been "Your inability to form a sentence and your inability to spell really annoy me." "Your inability to spell and structure sentences annoys me" would have been better.

Marcus Johnson · #10 02-12-2012, 07:46 PM

Kenny Barron - Jazz Today is from the Head and Not the Heart - YouTube

Mike Carr · #11 02-12-2012, 07:58 PM

Amen!

big90sbasshorns · #12 02-12-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Your inability to form a sentence and your inability to spell, really annoys me.

TB is an international community. Would it be so hard to get our heads around that english might not be the 1st language of the poster?

crowsmengegus · #13 02-12-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Your inability to form a sentence and your inability to spell, really annoys me.

Rude.

ctxbass · #14 02-12-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckCorbisiero

I once saw Tommy Turrentine pull a knife on a slab player at a jam session in front of an audience of 100 people because he played ****ed up changes on "Stella by Starlight".

Horn players and their cutting.

ChuckCorbisiero · #15 02-12-2012, 08:07 PM

I once saw Tommy Turrentine pull a knife on a slab player at a jam session in front of an audience of 100 people because he played ****ed up changes on "Stella by Starlight". Now that was from the heart. Never will forget that. He was despondent to say the least.

AClark · #16 02-12-2012, 08:08 PM

I don't really see the point of music if it doesn't come from the heart. When I play, I try to create and make sure everything I do is genuine and has some piece of me and how I feel in it. That is what music is, right?! If not, I might reconsider my career choice.

ChuckCorbisiero · #17 02-12-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ctxbass

Horn players and their cutting.

Tommy liked to cook and so do I. One night his lady friend, I think her name was Rose asked me to give him my recipe for lobster fra diavlo. I proceeded to explain that I saute garlic in olive oil. He says " What kind of olive oil?" and I said it didn't matter or something to that effect, he then said "You're full of ****. You're not a chef. You're a liar." He was passionate about everyting you see.

Edvin · #18 02-12-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Your inability to form a sentence and your inability to spell, really annoys me.

sorry, dude! I'm swedish and are better at the verbal part than the writing part.
To go a bit off topic, i would be glad if you would sent me a pm with criticism
about how you would change that text to make it more pleasing to read.

oldsalt · #19 02-12-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crowsmengegus

Rude.

Agreed

ChuckCorbisiero · #20 02-12-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Edvin

I'm swedish and are better at the verbal part than the writing part.

Isn't that the line Swedish chicks use when you try to get them to sign a prenup?