Sad state of affairs on TBDB

[Paul Warburton]

I don't want to sound trite, but when I posted this thread, I had no idea it would cause this response.
It's been very fulfilling to me, and i'm certain, to my old family here on THE site.
Hopefully, thanks to you, this will put to rest some of our critics, who take shots at us for being less receptive to players in any other genre of music. Also that we are a closed minded group that doesn't accept anyone unless they have certain credentials in the jazz world.
All of us, i'm sure, welcome ANY bassist who is sincere about his/her work on our instrument.I really feel this endeavor will help bring TBDB back to the energy it deserves and that we, as bassists, deserve.
With love and concern for all you mothers, PW
( Sorry for the JAZZ jargon )

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Hopefully, this will put to rest some of our critics, who take shots at us for being less receptive to players in any other genre of music. Also that we are a closed minded group that doesn't accept anyone unless they have certain credentials in the jazz world.
All of us, i'm sure, welcome ANY bassist who is sincere about his/her work on our instrument.I really feel this endeavor will help bring TBDB back to the energy it deserves and that we, as bassists, deserve.
With love and concern for all you mothers, PW

Seconded. Oyez, oyez.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Chris Fitzgerald

Seconded. Oyez, oyez.

You're starting to sound like a god damn Shriner, Durrl.

[Uncletoad]

Originally Posted by txstatebass

I'm grateful PW and Toad and other more seasoned vets of the bass world are still talking to us here. If they weren't, I'd be worried.

Thanks for the props but PW is the real deal. I'm just a punk in his shadow. Don't confuse my ability to post on the internet with the possibility of standing toe to toe with these fellas. I am humbled by this group. I've met many of these long term posters and they can ****ing play. I wouldn't work nears as much as I do if I lived somewhere that anybody had actually heard of.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Uncletoad

Thanks for the props but PW is the real deal. I'm just a punk in his shadow.

I think I want you darling!

[Uncletoad]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

I think I want you darling!

I stand ready.

Shall I saddle up? Or are you feeling vulnerable tonight?

[MR PC]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

I guess I don't getcher drift P...?

Don't encourage those guys! That blood has dried on the tracks, mine included.

Originally Posted by Steve Killingsworth

I do feel like TB was like a private little club during for the first couple of years I visited here. While I never felt like a member of the brotherhood, I always felt welcome. As the site grew and became better known that private club vibe was lost.

Well put, and you get a badge for courage for hanging in. I think that the "Brotherhood" thing is good and was useful here to build the strength of DB on the net and here at TB in particular. After a point though, there are diminishing returns for TB with "Brotherhood" type of situation dominating the discussions. No wonder things have slowed.

Now might be good time for the "old guard" have their own room warning new users to enter at their own risk! Another thread option in the "Ask a Pro" section.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Uncletoad

I stand ready.

Shall I saddle up? Or are you feeling vulnerable tonight?

HA! You're an animal Phil....let's do Vulnerable tonight, i'm in that sensitive mood.

[Heifetzbass]

Toad and PW... Get a room!

[damonsmith]

Weird about Ray Parker getting threats. Anymore on that one? I remember arguing with him about bass methods, but he is really great player.
We really need guys like PW, Ed, Toad and Sam around. There are also a ton of guys on here who are younger with great insights, Fingers for one, Koricancowboy, Reuben when he actually posts , Jason Sypher, Marcus has great stuff to say. I guess I am not clear on everyone's exact age. I am 35.
David Potts has had some great posts.

As everyone knows I am right behind PW with pushing Red Mitchell awareness!
Hey Paul, any chance of you making it out to the Bay Area to play?
If you end up with a gig I will get a nice bass for you if you don't mind a four string.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by MR PC

Well put, and you get a badge for courage for hanging in. I think that the "Brotherhood" thing is good and was useful here to build the strength of DB on the net and here at TB in particular. After a point though, there are diminishing returns for TB with "Brotherhood" type of situation dominating the discussions. No wonder things have slowed.
Now might be good time for the "old guard" have their own room warning new users to enter at their own risk! Another thread option in the "Ask a Pro" section.

I think you may be missing my point, P. I'm ( we're ) trying to do the opposite of what you intimate. I call these guys my brothers, or sisters, for that matter, as I call all motivated bassists, and for that matter, all musicians with a drive for excellence. ( You're pushing me to sound like a god damn politician. ) I'm not on a BROTHERHOOD or POWER trip.
This brotherhood nonsense is just that...nonsense.
Appreciate your options, i.e. " our own room ", " ask a pro ", or even " warning new users to enter at thier own risk. We'll stay right here, thank you. And I see you're giving some input, so keep it up.
If you think my ( our ) energy is directed to just this thread, trying to ' enlist ' followers or implement our so called " Brotherhood " please check our healthy activity on most of our other TBDB threads.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by damonsmith

If you end up with a gig I will get a nice bass for you

Yeah, i've heard that before Damon.
I talked to Dick Hindman and Colin Bailey a couple weeks ago & we might rustle something out there in the near future.
I'm busy just trying to get something that resembles decent chops back after a long lay off.
I was about to say ' Long live Red Mitchell ' A little late for that, I guess, but like many of our hero's his music will live on.
And don't get me started on Red!

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Heifetzbass

Toad and PW... Get a room!

How crass ! Rooms just ruin our sensitivities.

[MR PC]

[damonsmith]

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

Yeah, i've heard that before Damon.
I talked to Dick Hindman and Colin Bailey a couple weeks ago & we might rustle something out there in the near future.
I'm busy just trying to get something that resembles decent chops back after a long lay off.
I was about to say ' Long live Red Mitchell ' A little late for that, I guess, but like many of our hero's his music will live on.
And don't get me started on Red!

I had a gig a few months back with a drummer named Tom Hassett. He knew who you were and said he used to see your trio with Dick, maybe at a place called the Blackhawk? He said it was a hot trio.
If you can get a Yoshi's gig that is best. You could probably also do a master class on the music of Red Mitchell or one about playing with Bill Evans at the Jazz School in Berkeley to pick up some extra coins.

[Johnny Crab]

Originally Posted by Uncletoad

Baby V is 18 months old and stupidly cute:



He's developed a love for the DB and the bow. Walks around with a stuffed one and won't let it go. His favorite Baby Einstein show is "The Orchestra" When the bass comes on he jumps around. When the drums come on he goes and bangs his drums and when the piano comes on he goes and bangs on his piano.

Frankly the drum thing has me worried.

Very cute, probably be able to play anything he touches later in life, and only use drums to teach(worry yes).

I'm just a plain "electric" player and stumbled onto this thread. It seems to be as you say here on the "electric" side both here and at other boards. Thanks for such a thought-provoking and insightful thread AND for letting the very good side(camraderie, knowledge, humor, great advice) of TB show as bright as the sun.

JC

[hdiddy]

Funny. I just found this thread myself - a little late as usual.

I'm still the neophyte that I have ever been since I started posting here. It was like coming to church on a daily basis. My join date was 1 month before my first (and currently only) bass. I dunno how I'd get going so quickly without all you guys and I still have a long ways to go. I thought i never would drop off from posting but I did leave for a few months during Ken's first bannination.

I too miss the old days. I joined up as it was well underway. Seems like some of the TB rules didn't apply on the DB side and we had a really cool hang. I was so impressed when we used to have ppl regularly posting clips for constructive critique. That was the **** man!

IMO, the problem is that the new blood doesn't know how to respect those that came before, even just in the previous generation. When I came here, I was like... "these cats are heavy, I better be careful where I step." The rest of the newbies that come here really don't give a **** nor do they really understand what came before. All they want is a cheap bass and some kind of ego stroke about the bad way they're learning to play. :lol:
/sweeping generalizations

As much as the CUP may be important, it is also stifling. IMO, banning Ken was kinda like "jumping the shark" for me. I only see things going down hill. This market is too small to have such restrictive rules that stifle discussion amongst competitors. And the important voices leave, so do the other regulars. I wouldn't be surprised if those who didn't fit in at the time were turned off. I'm sure there were a few but the strong and validated opinions here was what made things so good. I left myself for about a year. Make me wonder about Brent Norton and how he's doing. Brent I'm still using the endpin you made! Still works great! :P

Personally, the only "out" i see is if someone where to set up another DB site with forums that ran as a free service without any ads. The moment money is involved then it goes to hell. A "members only" forum here won't bring Ken, Ray, et. al back so imo, it's kinda pointless. I'm so pessimistic that I woudln't be surprised if I got banned for what I just said in this paragraph.

I'm glad to see some old names show up in this thread. Someday I'll do that recording for the Sampler goddamit. I have to show y'all the fruits of all your input over the years. Most aspects of my bass playing virtually grew out of this forum. So thanks to all of you old farts.

Cheers,
Huy

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by hdiddy

As much as the CUP may be important, it is also stifling. IMO, banning Ken was kinda like "jumping the shark" for me. I only see things going down hill. This market is too small to have such restrictive rules that stifle discussion amongst competitors. And the important voices leave, so do the other regulars. I wouldn't be surprised if those who didn't fit in at the time were turned off. I'm sure there were a few but the strong and validated opinions here was what made things so good. I left myself for about a year. Make me wonder about Brent Norton and how he's doing. Brent I'm still using the endpin you made! Still works great! :P

Personally, the only "out" i see is if someone where to set up another DB site with forums that ran as a free service without any ads. The moment money is involved then it goes to hell. A "members only" forum here won't bring Ken, Ray, et. al back so imo, it's kinda pointless. I'm so pessimistic that I woudln't be surprised if I got banned for what I just said in this paragraph.

Don't hold your breath on that last bit. The banstick is my least favorite part of the gig. And yes, the CUP is a huge PITA... but like I said, what this place would be like without it is far worse. As far as the ads, one word: "adblocker".

I'm glad to see some old names show up in this thread. Someday I'll do that recording for the Sampler goddamit.

Do it! I'm in the same boat as you, having played for only about a year when I joined here. I found my basses here, my strings, my Lluthier, my amps, got tons of great input from more experienced guys like PULL, FOGHORN, COOKING, RAYBIRD, BOWFENCE, and many others.

One of the things I try to keep in mind is that in life, eventually the newbies become the old farts. It's this ever evolving demographic that makes the whole wheel turn. Here's hoping that folks who used to get the good advice return the karmic favor and start giving it when they're ready.

[Marc Piane]

Originally Posted by Chris Fitzgerald

One of the things I try to keep in mind is that in life, eventually the newbies become the old farts. It's this ever evolving demographic that makes the whole wheel turn. Here's hoping that folks who used to get the good advice return the karmic favor and start giving it when they're ready.

+1. Can I get an Amen? Preach it brother Fitz.


BTW I don't know if you caught it in the other thread but Jarrard Harris says hi. He's says he knows you from Louisville. I've know and played with him for him for years. He's a killer and just keeps getting better.

[Paul Warburton]

Originally Posted by Johnny Crab

I'm just a plain "electric" player and stumbled onto this thread. It seems to be as you say here on the "electric" side both here and at other boards. Thanks for such a thought-provoking and insightful thread AND for letting the very good side(camraderie, knowledge, humor, great advice) of TB show as bright as the sun.
JC

Again, thanks for all the positive feedback from all of you!
I felt compelled to respond to Johnny's post for a couple of reasons: To, of course, welcome him to this side of TB. Welcome man.
I've been accused in the past of being a DB purist. I am getting a bit tired of defending my ideas, as well as the input of this group of people in the whole.
Johnny, your post helps prove another point I am trying to make. Thanks for your intelligent and sensitive post.
As regards the electric bass: No way you're just a " plain " electric player. One of my great passions in music is the stuff that's coming out of Brazil now days. It is beautiful, soulful, at times, for me, breathtaking, provacative and just plain gorgeous. I've come to believe that this music couldn't exist, as it does today, without the inclusion of the electric bass. Of course Samba, in particular.
Johnny, please believe that i'm not just " throwing you a bone " to prove how open minded I am. More than being in love with the DB, I am in love with music.
Again, thanks for letting me use your post to help make some, hopefully, positve points.
Please come by often and please offer our wecome to any of your friends on the " Other side ".
Regards, PW